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*Boostwerks* · 10-28-2007, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by turboed4dr

lol.. talk about lag.. 1.6l + T68 = lag, i actually bought the turbo for next years set up. the only good thing about it is that i dont really spin since the power is gradual.

Kinda looks like boost creep to me actually. Although I'm sure tempest knows whats up.

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90JDMCIVIC · 10-29-2007, 01:32 AM

im thinking of turboing my b16a as a daily driver but was wondering how long would it last me if i run it with gsr cams at 12 psi tuned???????? will the stock bottom end give up really fast .........

Modified by 90JDMCIVIC at 2:06 AM 10/29/2007

turbohf · 10-29-2007, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 90JDMCIVIC

im thinking of turboing my b16a as a daily driver but was wondering how long would it last me if i run it with gsr cams at 12 psi tuned???????? will the stock bottom end give up really fast .........

with a good tuner it could last for a long ass time...

delslo93 · 10-29-2007, 07:32 AM

Just took my b16 apart on saturday....cracked a sleeve. Good thing I have a friend that is giving me another b16 block. Should be up and running again shortly...

kicked25th · 10-29-2007, 10:32 AM

man I hope I dont crack a sleeve. This is (hopefully) a one shot deal for me.

If I break an axle or something like that, no big deal, but if I have to rip apart my block, I may just sell everything and get out.

urbansi · 10-29-2007, 10:34 AM

mine did this at only 360whp, but i think i can contribute this to a large boost creap

delslo93 · 10-29-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kicked25th

man I hope I dont crack a sleeve. This is (hopefully) a one shot deal for me.

If I break an axle or something like that, no big deal, but if I have to rip apart my block, I may just sell everything and get out.

Yeah I was feeling the same way...I had everything just how I wanted it and this happened. Only had 2300 miles on the build. I guess it leaned out or something. All that hard work that went into that just to come back out and redo everything. It really sucks that I'm a poor college student that doesn't have a job....somehow I have to find the funds to redo it. I should just sell it and move on but I just can't do it.

hmongxcuz · 10-29-2007, 11:09 AM

wow

90JDMCIVIC · 10-29-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by turbohf

with a good tuner it could last for a long ass time...

ok thanks ........... but how would i crack a sleave like urbansi ( i dont want to crack a sleave )......... too much boost????? if so is 12 psi too much?

turbohf · 10-29-2007, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 90JDMCIVIC

ok thanks ........... but how would i crack a sleave like urbansi ( i dont want to crack a sleave )......... too much boost????? if so is 12 psi too much?

poor tuning....

i run 18psi daily on 92oct pump gas stock sleeves with NO blockgaurd or homo shit like that...

my tuner said "B16A's dont crack sleeves..." so i trust him

urbansi · 10-29-2007, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by turbohf

poor tuning....

my tuner said "B16A's dont crack sleeves..." so i trust him

Yeah my car was tuned by the most reputable tuner in the midwest so your wrong there, and you cant read because i just said it had a massive boost spike.

And why dont b16's crack sleeves, how are they different from other b-series sleeves aside from b20's.

some motors can make 600hp on stock sleeves and some pop at under 300. Every motor is different, i for one will never turbo a stock sleeved Honda motor ever again.

turbohf · 10-29-2007, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by urbansi

Yeah my car was tuned by the most reputable tuner in the midwest so your wrong there, and you cant read because i just said it had a massive boost spike.

And why dont b16's crack sleeves, how are they different from other b-series sleeves aside from b20's.

well, the blocks are different...thats whats different about them. they are a shorter block and a shorter stroke, there for have less load on the sleeves than a B18/B20.

i would count boost spike as a bad tuning cuz it wasnt tuned for that high of boost...or that an unrelated part failed causing a failure of the sleeves... like if you dropped a valve and cracked a sleeve.

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Originally Posted by urbansi

some motors can make 600hp on stock sleeves and some pop at under 300. Every motor is different, i for one will never turbo a stock sleeved Honda motor ever again.

still say tuning... you look at the highest power on stock blocks thread you see big tuner names like Jeff Evans tuning them.
my tuner is one of them, he has a completely stock B18C1 bottom end 450whp...

b16a4 · 10-29-2007, 07:04 PM

very nice

my b16a will be boosted soon

300whp here i come :0)

urbansi · 10-29-2007, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by turbohf

well, the blocks are different...thats whats different about them. they are a shorter block and a shorter stroke, there for have less load on the sleeves than a B18/B20.

i would count boost spike as a bad tuning cuz it wasnt tuned for that high of boost...or that an unrelated part failed causing a failure of the sleeves... like if you dropped a valve and cracked a sleeve.

I still say you are wrong and slightly stupid if you think its that simple, generally B16's are revved higher than most motors that are around the 1.8-2.0 because they are generally motors that make peak numbers when taking about decent hp numbers.

FYI the boost issue was a spike and countered by droping 2psi from the tune once it went to the street, but there is this thing called load, you ever heard of that? most motors see different load on the dyno than on the street.

So once you get off HT and get some real first hand expierence then you can attempt to give out some information that has some real knowledge and not just what Jeff evans tells you his shop has done

delslo93 · 10-29-2007, 07:38 PM

By the way here is a few pics of my setup before I cracked the sleeve...but like I said as soon as I get the new block to the machine shop she should be up and running again shortly there after....

turbohf · 10-29-2007, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by delslo93

By the way here is a few pics of my setup before I cracked the sleeve...but like I said as soon as I get the new block to the machine shop she should be up and running again shortly there after....

you have pics of the cracked block?

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Originally Posted by urbansi

I still say you are wrong and slightly stupid if you think its that simple, generally B16's are revved higher than most motors that are around the 1.8-2.0 because they are generally motors that make peak numbers when taking about decent hp numbers.

FYI the boost issue was a spike and countered by droping 2psi from the tune once it went to the street, but there is this thing called load, you ever heard of that? most motors see different load on the dyno than on the street.

So once you get off HT and get some real first hand expierence then you can attempt to give out some information that has some real knowledge and not just what Jeff evans tells you his shop has done

LOL...

yeah i over simplify shit sometimes.

first hand experience? your ****in kidding me right? i have been doing this for YEARS. i have had MANY MANY turbo setups, on all different kinds of motors... should i also point out that MY PERSONAL car made MORE power than yours ON STOCK SLEEVES along with reving it to 9500rpms?...

ghostskinner · 10-29-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by turbohf

you have pics of the cracked block?

LOL...

yeah i over simplify shit sometimes.

first hand experience? your ****in kidding me right? i have been doing this for YEARS. i have had MANY MANY turbo setups, on all different kinds of motors...
should i also point out that MY PERSONAL car made MORE power than yours ON STOCK SLEEVES along with reving it to 9500rpms?...

what kind of manifold is that and how is the mid range power

delslo93 · 10-29-2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by turbohf

you have pics of the cracked block?

Not right now I my camera broke here a few weeks ago. When I go home this weekend from school I will hopefully snap a few pics and post them up.

delslo93 · 10-29-2007, 09:33 PM

Oh also what kind of piston to wall clearances are you guys running. I think that might have been one of the reasons my sleeve went...

turbohf · 10-29-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ghostskinner

what kind of manifold is that and how is the mid range power

exhaust manifold? some chinese one....got mad jew dealz on it from a buddy

and intake is of course a Edelbrock VictorX, with the standard flat black treatment...

powerband? stock B16 from idle to just before VTEC, and from VTEC on is....hard to describe

pulls ****in hard! till about just before the revlimiter where it will break 2-3rd [think 4th too, usually too fast for street

] loose on BFG 225/50-15 DRs

turbohf · 10-29-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by delslo93

Oh also what kind of piston to wall clearances are you guys running. I think that might have been one of the reasons my sleeve went...

run what the piston manufacture/engine builder recommends for your application. along with the ring gaps...

90JDMCIVIC · 10-29-2007, 10:10 PM

thanx yeah if poor tunning is why you crack your sleave then i have not as much worries as i had before...... by the way how much hp and psi would a stock b16 handle before it gives out or run into problems.........

delslo93 · 10-30-2007, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 90JDMCIVIC

thanx yeah if poor tunning is why you crack your sleave then i have not as much worries as i had before...... by the way how much hp and psi would a stock b16 handle before it gives out or run into problems.........

It all really depends. psi doesn't mean anything its all about power so get the whole psi thing out of your head. I would say anywhere between 300-350 hp would be fine on a stock b16 bottom end. Anymore than that I would start getting worried but it has been done before.

ExVtec · 10-30-2007, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by urnotfast

that car is the truth

Thanks buddy.

CBURKE · 10-30-2007, 01:05 PM

I am getting some B17 cams, is there any diff in the B18C cam?

10-29-2007, 01:32 AM	#52
90JDMCIVIC Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mexico/Japan Posts: 667	Re: (Boostwerks.com) im thinking of turboing my b16a as a daily driver but was wondering how long would it last me if i run it with gsr cams at 12 psi tuned???????? will the stock bottom end give up really fast ......... Modified by 90JDMCIVIC at 2:06 AM 10/29/2007 __________________ Quote, originally posted by QUESTOYZ by RHanDy » It's not easy. There are so many different ways to do it. And the only way to do it is to just do it yourself. RIP: Randy Gagan aka QUESTOYZ by RHanDy(11.23.1980 - 07.04.2006) I miss you brotha --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

10-29-2007, 07:32 AM	#54
delslo93 Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Carlisle, PA, united states Posts: 1,539	Re: (turbohf) Just took my b16 apart on saturday....cracked a sleeve. Good thing I have a friend that is giving me another b16 block. Should be up and running again shortly... __________________ dSoc #38 93' Sol--> Built N Boosted B16A...413whp @ 19psi...:-) www.J-K-Tuning.com & www.innovative-motorworks.com --> get tuned!

10-29-2007, 10:32 AM	#55
kicked25th Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Denton, TX, USA Posts: 403	Re: (delslo93) man I hope I dont crack a sleeve. This is (hopefully) a one shot deal for me. If I break an axle or something like that, no big deal, but if I have to rip apart my block, I may just sell everything and get out.

10-29-2007, 10:34 AM	#56
urbansi Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago area, us Posts: 2,486	Re: (kicked25th) mine did this at only 360whp, but i think i can contribute this to a large boost creap

10-29-2007, 11:09 AM	#58
hmongxcuz Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AtL Posts: 107	Re: (urbansi) wow

10-29-2007, 07:04 PM	#63
b16a4 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Miami, FL, USA Posts: 1,184	Re: (turbohf) very nice my b16a will be boosted soon 300whp here i come :0)

10-29-2007, 07:38 PM	#65
delslo93 Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Carlisle, PA, united states Posts: 1,539	Re: (urbansi) By the way here is a few pics of my setup before I cracked the sleeve...but like I said as soon as I get the new block to the machine shop she should be up and running again shortly there after.... __________________ dSoc #38 93' Sol--> Built N Boosted B16A...413whp @ 19psi...:-) www.J-K-Tuning.com & www.innovative-motorworks.com --> get tuned!

10-29-2007, 09:33 PM	#69
delslo93 Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Carlisle, PA, united states Posts: 1,539	Re: (delslo93) Oh also what kind of piston to wall clearances are you guys running. I think that might have been one of the reasons my sleeve went... __________________ dSoc #38 93' Sol--> Built N Boosted B16A...413whp @ 19psi...:-) www.J-K-Tuning.com & www.innovative-motorworks.com --> get tuned!

10-29-2007, 10:10 PM	#72
90JDMCIVIC Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mexico/Japan Posts: 667	Re: (turbohf) thanx yeah if poor tunning is why you crack your sleave then i have not as much worries as i had before...... by the way how much hp and psi would a stock b16 handle before it gives out or run into problems......... __________________ Quote, originally posted by QUESTOYZ by RHanDy » It's not easy. There are so many different ways to do it. And the only way to do it is to just do it yourself. RIP: Randy Gagan aka QUESTOYZ by RHanDy(11.23.1980 - 07.04.2006) I miss you brotha --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

10-30-2007, 01:05 PM	#75
CBURKE Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: BRANDON FLORIDA Posts: 2,833	I am getting some B17 cams, is there any diff in the B18C cam?

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