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Another article on the Development of the 5g Prelude from Automotive Engineering. Goes in-depth into the engine and suspension:
http://dwolsten.tripod.com/articles/mar97.html ______ Honda Prelude Honda's fifth-generation Prelude may look less menacing than its predecessor; however, it is loaded with potent "weapons," confides a senior Honda engineer. The sleek 2+2 coupe's main markets are Japan, the U.S., and Europe. There is a bewildering variety of engine options for the three markets. The U.S. will basically use one engine, the type-H22A dual overhead camshaft, VTEC (Honda's variable valve timing/lift system), 2157 cm3, inline four-cylinger engine rated for 145 kW (SAE net) at 6600 rpm and 211 N·m at 5250 rpm with a 10.0:1 compression ratio (CR). The same engine mated to the four-speed automatic produces 3.7 kW less. Europe will have the H22A 2.2-L and its 2.0-L version, the latter receiving favorable tax concessions in certain countries. Japan gets four engine choices. The type H22A is available in two stages of tune; the normal version puts out 149 kW (JIS net) at 6800 rpm and 219 N·m of torque at 5500 rpm on a slightly higher 10.6:1 CR. The "S" version of the H22A has power and torque of 164 kW at 7200 rpm and 221 N·m at 6500 rpm, respectively, on a yet higher 11.0:1 CR. The H22A S adopts high performance camshafts with more valve overlap and higher lifts as follows: Normal H22A "S" H22A Valve Timing Intake opening, (°BTDC) 15 15 Intake closing, (°ATDC) 40 45 Exhaust opening, (°BBDC) 40 45 Exhaust closing, (°ATDC) 15 15 Valve lift Intake, (mm) 11.5 12.2 Exhaust, (mm) 10.5 11.2 * Honda's valve timing/lift are measured at 1-mm lift Additionally, the S engine is given the same treatment as the junior Integra "R" 1.8-L engine including polished intake and exhaust ports, smoother-surfaced (by finer casting sand) intake manifold, and freer exhaust system. The S spec engine is Japanese exclusive and combined with a manual five-speed transmission. The VTEC engine's change-over from the low- to high-speed valve timing and lift operation occurs around 5000-5600 rpm. Common with all H22A engines is the open-deck aluminum cylinder block with cast-in iron liners–a change from the previous closed-deck design. The open-deck design is less prone to casting reject, and its productivity is higher. A new, three-layer, two-bead welded head gasket compensates for reduced rigidity of the block. The new piston design for the H22A features a full-floating crankpin which contributes to quieter engine operation by allowing a closer fit between the pin and the piston, thereby reducing any clatter when the engine is cold. The other two engines are versions of the type F22A, with different internal dimensions (85.0 mm bore and 95.0 mm stroke vs. the H22A's 87.0 mm and 90.7 mm, respectively), obtaining the same displacement of 2156 cm3. Power and torque values for the SOHC, 16-valve unit are 101 kW (JIS net) and 192 N·m at 4500 rpm on a 8.8:1 compression ratio, and the dual overhead camshaft version produces 119 kW at 6000 rpm and 201 N·m at 5200 on a 9.2:1 CR. The F22A requires regular unleaded gasoline, whereas the H22A is specified with premium grade fuel. The F22A is now fitted with a cast aluminum oil pan with extensive internal ribbing as is the H22A for structural rigidity and noise suppression. The engine and transmission are tied by a cast-aluminum stiffener. As for emissions standards, the U.S. versions meet Tier 1 regulations, a part of Honda's strategy ranging from the current Tier 1, through TLEV, to LEV requirements in Calfornia. The Japanese models satisfy the current rules. The most stringent emissions standards are those of EC; therefore, the European engines' outputs are lower than those for the two other markets. A five-speed manual transmission is offered across the board. An advanced version of Honda's electronically controlled automatic transmission is available, except for the U.S. SH and Japanese S models. This is a latest generation Honda automatic, incorporating a larger-capacity and faster microprocessor; the three linear solenoid shift-control valves; two clutch-pressure-control solenoid valves; a revised lockup torque converter with a solenoid control valve; a Grade Logic Control system; and Sequential SportShift. Honda calls this transmission "full-direct control" as engagement and disengagement are actuated by individual linear solenoid valves. The whole transmission is 25 mm shorter than the previous version because of the elimination of low-gear-hold and one-way clutches, made possible by the full-direct control. The transmission is tuned for smooth gear shifts in the automatic range which features an Acura RL-like zigzag gate, while crisper changes can be made in the Sequential SportShift manual mode with push-pull movement of the lever in a straight gate marked "+" (upshift) and "-" (downshift). The Japanese S and American SH models are equipped with Honda's ATTS (active torque transfer system), rechristened from the prototype's DYC (direct yaw control–AE Sep. '96) designation. The ATTS is the fruit of the theoretical analysis and pragmatic engineering of the small team led by chassis designer extraordinaire Yasugi Shibahata of Honda Tochigi R&D Center. Shibahata came to Honda ten years ago after a tenure at Nissan where he felt he had accomplished what he had set out to do–researching and designing various chassis systems including the very early HICAS rear-wheel steering–and was seeking a new field. Shibahata wanted to try his hand on a front-engine, rear-wheel-drive car, but that was a "no-no" at Honda, which was travelling en masse on the front-wheel-drive route. So he turned his attention to a next best thing, all-wheel-drive, with which he expected to make a huge leap in vehicle dynamics (Porsche's 959 AWD super car appeared about that time). Not quite, tells Shibahata, a variable front and rear wheel torque split did not reap such a great harvest. Then one day it occured to him; what if driving torque is variably split between the left and right rear wheels. Shibahata and his company fortified this finding with their "b-method," a theory using stabilizing, yaw-moment diagrams to analyze vehicle behavior over a full range of motions, including the nonlinear region and transient stages (SAE 923081, 940870, etc.). And his team built a number of all-wheel-drive prototypes employing the direct yaw control system. These vehicles impressed those who drove them, your Asian editor being one of outsiders allowed to drive a furious Integra coupe powered by an experimental Lysholm-compressor-boosted engine. Trying as hard as he and his team members did, the Honda management did not adopt the system in a production vehicle due to its high cost. Shibahata returned to his old domain, suspension design, briefly. During this sojourn, he designed a new front suspension for high-power front-wheel-drive cars. The "double joint" suspension is adopted in the American SH and Japanese S coupe models in order to take full advantage of the greater steering feel, linearity and tremendous cornering power offered by ATTS. In place of the normal single pivot compliance bushing on the suspension's lower link, the double-pivot suspension has one pivot each for the trailing diagonal link and the lower I-arm. The geometry minimizes torque steer effects, and reduces longitudinal input load by as much as 14% and vertical load by 8%. Once again Shibahata had an idea, and he tried his direct yaw control principle on a front-wheel-drive prototype. Results were quite dramatic; however, he was more cautious in "selling" his idea to the powers that be at Honda R&D. Yoshiski Uchida, large car project leader (LPL) in charge of the fifth generation Prelude, was impressed with the crude prototype which still had a clumsy, two-shaft, torque-transfer system that left about 100 mm of ground clearance. RAD (representative of automobile development) Tomoyuki Sugiyama of the parent Honda Motor Company, himself an accomplished development engineer, was also impressed. So much so, Sugiyama transferred Shibahata and his team which still belonged to the R&D Center's Research segment, to the Development function "to make the ATTS a product reality in this century," specifically to be included in the new Prelude. Shibahata's breakthrough technology was a triple-planetary gear unit within the ATTS. RAD Sugiyama sees a promising future for the ATTS; its adaptation to a rear-wheel-drive, or even a mid-engine, rear-drive super car, like Honda's own NSX, as well as the all-wheel-drive version which Honda has already developed. The Prelude chassis is basically a refinement of that used in its predecessor, except the SH/S's new double-joint front suspension. The Japanese S model's ABS utilizes the ATTS' yaw-rate and lateral-acceleration sensors, and its electronic control unit interacts with the ATTS ECU, providing active braking control. Shibahata explains that it is an active vehicle stability system as employed by Mercedes Benz (Bosch VDC) and Toyota (VSC), except that it does not have a mechanical hydraulic pressure system. As long as the driver keeps pushing the brake pedal the system takes care of optimally modulating the individual brakes for maximum stability. Optionally available in the Japanese Prelude, except the base SOHC and high-performance S models, is an electronically controlled, electrically actuated rear-wheel-steering system. The 4WS (four-wheel-steering) system reduces the turning circle from the normal model's 11 meters (11.4 for the ATTS-equipped S) curb-to-curb to 9.4 meters. The U.S. Prelude is shod with wide P205/50R16 tires on aluminum alloy wheels, which are shared by the Japanese VTEC models. The new Prelude body has gained 55% more rigidity in bending and 24% more in torsion. The car measures 4520 mm long, 1750 mm wide, and 1315 mm tall on a 2585-mm wheelbase. Curb mass ranges between 1220 kg and 1310 kg. Jack Yamaguchi |
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Honda Direct Yaw Control, variable torque-split system for front- and all-wheel-drive vehicles from Automotive Engineering
___ Sir Isaac Newton observed in the treatise deMotu that a moving body will continue its uniform motion in a straight line unless acted upon by external forces trying to deter it. In the automobile, such forces are exerted by the driver turning the steering wheel from the straight-ahead position, but the vehicle's reaction entails all kinds of complications, such as understeer, oversteer, or simply losing the tires' grip. Honda began developing an active yaw control system, called the "Direct Yaw Control System," to help the vehicle follow the cornering line intended (by the driver) more faithfully and naturally, greatly enhancing its stability. Honda R&D completed a DYC applied to the all-wheel-drive system in 1991. A prototype small car demonstrated the DYC-AWD's tremendous cornering power and remarkable stability; however, its application to series production models was judged too costly and complex at the time. Honda has since completed a two-wheel-drive version of the DYC, which will be adopted in the soon-to-be-launched, front-drive Prelude sport coupe replacement. Honda likens the DYC to a row boat without a rudder. To turn, the outer oar must be rowed harder than the inner one to provide a difference in the right and left drive force. How does it work? Think of a frustum, or more simply a paper or styrofoam cup, and roll it. It moves in a circular line. If a vehicle has a larger wheel on the outer side and a smaller one on the inside, it naturally turns toward the inner side, ultimately making a circle. The DYC does that, not literally, but by splitting and varying driving torque unequally between the left and right wheels when cornering. The system is an accelerator mechanism, which, when combined with a conventional differential, increases the outer wheel rotation, i.e., increases driving torque to the outer wheel. A reaction force equivalent to the increased amount of torque is directed to the inner wheel as a braking force, thus reducing torque to the inner wheel, and varying the lateral distribution of driving torque. In the front-drive configuration, the driving torque distribution unit is located inline, outrigger of the transaxle's final drive. The unit comprises twin concentric shafts (outer for the right wheel, inner for the left), triple-pinion planetary geartrain, and left- and right-turn clutches. Two sets of planetary gears enable either wheel to revolve more than the other, providing optimum ratio for stable cornering performance. Torque distribution between the left and right wheels is steplessly variable for smooth transition. The DYC for front-drive attains a maximum increase of 15%, splitting driving torque to 80 (outer wheel)/20 (inner wheel). The ECU consists of two control functions: feed-forward and feed-back controls. Vehicle speed sensor, steering wheel angle sensor, lateral acceleration (g) sensor, and the ECU (engine rpm and torque) feed into the feed-forward part of the ECU, which determines the driver's intention by such factors as steering input, vehicle speed, lateral acceleration, and engine performance, and controls driving torque distribution between the wheels. The feed-back part determines the vehicle's lateral slip angle, beta, by vehicle model (vehicle speed, steering wheel angle, and lateral acceleration) and yaw-rate sensor input, and feeds reference data to the feed-forward unit for precise distribution control. Honda lists among the DYC's virtues: improved tractability during cornering providing secure "on-the-rail" feel, improved stability, and reduction in steering effort. Honda had completed the development of an all-wheel-drive DYC system some years ago (the unit is mounted at the rear, varying torque distribution between the rear wheels), however, its product application will come after the front-drive version. Jack Yamaguchi |
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Does anyone else think its funny that there is a guy named "Jack Yamaguchi"?
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Yay double wish bone suspension!!! Aside from the extended width it looks like it's mostly the same in the 4th gen.
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wasn't there some ice skater with yamaguchi as a last name? christina yamaguchi?
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I used to a drive 4g. They may be a touch quicker in a straight line, but when it comes to handling and the overall feel of the car through the suspension and chassis, there's a pretty dramatic difference. This is what engineering development is. |
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^^ Chassis refinement.
I wish someone could do some chassis stiffening work in the U.S. like Amuse in Japan.
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^^There are plenty of places that can do it, you just have to find them.
Vig, IIRC the 4th gen VTEC (jdm, w/lsd) is faster around a track than an SH in stock format. If the 5th gen were about 200lbs lighter off the showroom floor it would have been SICK! Don't get me wrong, I still like 5g ludes, they just "feel" heavy.
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If we were all as rich as the guys in the ITR forum, we could have a track meet and duke it out.
How awesome would that be?!
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wasn't there some ice skater with yamaguchi as a last name? christina yamaguchi? </TD></TR></TABLE> Kristi Yamaguchi is married to my cousin Bret Hedican.
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5th Gen preludes... nothing like them
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A knock sensor imbedded in the cylinder head detects any incipient combustion knock (detonation) and automatically retards ignition timing for safe operation.
wrong. hahaha i found a typo sorry im bored
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12.28.00 2001 Honda Prelude Remains a Favorite Among Driving Enthusiasts With its sleek styling, advanced engine technology and excellent handling, the 2001 Prelude is an ideal sports coupe for drivers who want to experience the exciting characteristics of Honda's prestigious motorsports tradition. A favorite of automotive enthusiasts, the Honda Prelude has the highest brand loyalty of any Honda product. About 75 percent of all Prelude buyers have previously owned a Honda or Acura product. The Prelude's 2.2-liter, VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control) engine generates 156 foot-pounds of torque. As a result, the DOHC (Dual Overhead Cam) 4-cylinder offers 200-horsepower with a standard manual transmission and 195-horsepower with a 4-speed automatic. An optional feature on the Prelude with automatic transmission is Sequential SportShift, combining the hands-on excitement and performance of a manual transmission with the effortlessness and driving convenience of an automatic. New for 2001, child safety seat tether anchors have been added to the rear seats of the Prelude. In addition, an emergency trunk opener and floor mats are standard on all 2001 Preludes. Highlighting Honda's Active Torque Transfer System (ATTS), the Prelude Type SH decreases vehicle understeer while cornering by regulating power to the front wheels during turns to supply virtually neutral handling characteristics. Using a smooth-shifting 5-speed manual transmission, the SH driver is given complete influence over the high-output 2.2-liter engine. The Prelude is designed with energy-absorbing front and rear crush zones. The Prelude also features dual airbags, impact-absorbing front and rear bumpers, energy-absorbing steering column and instrument panel, and three-point seatbelts. Standard equipment on all Prelude models include 4-wheel disc brakes with anti-lock braking system (ABS); power windows, mirrors and door locks; remote keyless entry system; alloy wheels; cruise control; air conditioning with micron filter; power moonroof with tilt feature; adjustable steering column; a height adjustable driver's seat; 12-volt power outlet; and front and rear cup holders. Providing exceptional sound quality, the 2001 Prelude's 6-speaker, AM/FM/CD stereo system is outfitted with a 120-watt Acoustic Feedback (AFB) System. AFB provides its outstanding sound quality by using small built-in microphones in the rear speakers to sample ambient cabin sound, measure it against the original electronic signal and adjust for any distortion. Both "Electron Blue" and "Satin Silver" have been added to the Prelude's exterior color pallet. The 2001 Honda Prelude will reach showrooms in mid-September 2000.
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I'm shocked that no one has said "WTF" yet....Its still going to be a FWD!! BOOO!
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Did you not read this in the second article? Shibahata returned to his old domain, suspension design, briefly. During this sojourn, he designed a new front suspension for high-power front-wheel-drive cars. The "double joint" suspension is adopted in the American SH and Japanese S coupe models in order to take full advantage of the greater steering feel, linearity and tremendous cornering power offered by ATTS. In place of the normal single pivot compliance bushing on the suspension's lower link, the double-pivot suspension has one pivot each for the trailing diagonal link and the lower I-arm. The geometry minimizes torque steer effects, and reduces longitudinal input load by as much as 14% and vertical load by 8%. |
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Sorry Vin, I guess I wasn't clear. I have an SH and am simply looking to add the Active ABS that the Type S has (which the SH doesn't). According to the press release, it uses the same sensors that the ATTS system is using (which obviously the SH has)...
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