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BrakeExpert · 10-10-2007, 10:32 PM

Not yet but I have an update.
I am now offering the necessary hub rings for the 12.6" rotor over the civic's smaller 5x114.3 hub (the RL hub is 5x120 and larger in center bore.

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civic710 · 10-10-2007, 11:32 PM

so nothing yet with the 12.3'' rotors off the TL?

BrakeExpert · 10-11-2007, 12:22 AM

No those rotors are proving more trouble than they're worth. I was hoping to use it for its hub-centricness, but the brackets would have to be modified even worse to the point where the knuckle tabs or the caliper itself would be have to be modified, so its not exactly a bolt on kit. for the extra .3", its worth doing it safer.

Demonis · 10-11-2007, 06:21 AM

Mmmm love this stuff... too bad I keep getting bankrupted by bills.

chiggin · 10-11-2007, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrakeExpert

I am using a block of hot rolled carbon steel, commercial quality

I would be worried about this rusting. Any steel (except stainless of course) is going to rust, but HR carbon steel is one of the quickest to do this (rust). Have you looked at using aluminum or stainless instead?

BrakeExpert · 10-11-2007, 08:21 AM

Well yes that is an issue, but of course these can be painted (or coated) to remove the external rust factor. I have looked at aluminum, but the factor for me was safety, and I didn't want to use aluminum because no matter how you look at it, its 1/3 the weight of steel and 1/3 the strength. I'm using factory bolts to the knuckle which are still torqued down pretty heavy and its nice to be able to treat this bracket as a solid body. Stainless is just extra cost, and in all honestly, if unpainted, its only surface rust, so the only actual problem is cosmetic, I mean the brackets are a solid bar of steel, there not gonna break, hehe.

Demonis · 10-11-2007, 08:48 AM

whats the price difference for stainless vs paying extra to paint/powder coat.

chiggin · 10-11-2007, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrakeExpert

but of course these can be painted (or coated) to remove the external rust factor.

Of course....personally I would have them coated black. I don't think that I would like the 'rust look'.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrakeExpert

I didn't want to use aluminum because no matter how you look at it, its 1/3 the weight of steel and 1/3 the strength.

Not entirely true. 7075 Aircraft Quality Aluminum has a tensile strength of 77 (the greatest available in Aluminum bar) despite its light weight. This is comparable to the tensile strength of HR Carbon Steel which is an average of 58-80. The only problem would be the extra cost. 7075 Aluminum, along with Stainless, would be about $2-3 more per pound than the HR Carbon Steel. With this added cost, the least expensive route would be coated HR Carbon Steel. I just wanted to let you know that Aluminum could be an option. **correction: Stainless is $2-3 more than HR Carbon Steel. 7075 Aluminum is closer to $5-6 more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrakeExpert

and in all honestly, if unpainted, its only surface rust, so the only actual problem is cosmetic

Yes. But one thing I was wondering...could this surface rust flake off on to the disc or calipers and eventually and effect braking performance? (or even damage the disc?) I'm not sure if this would actually be an issue, but it is just something I thought of.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrakeExpert

I mean the brackets are a solid bar of steel, there not gonna break, hehe.

lol....you're definitely right there. If you can break those pieces of steel without the help of a machine, the only thing you would have to worry about would be kryptonite.

Modified by chiggin at 1:31 PM 10/11/2007

chiggin · 10-11-2007, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonis

whats the price difference for stainless vs paying extra to paint/powder coat.

Stainless will typically be $2-3 more per pound than HR Carbon Steel. For example...a piece of HR Carbon Steel measuring 1/2" x 4" would be about $0.79/lb. A piece of 304 Stainless (least expensive grade) measuring the same size would be about $3.98/lb.

I am not sure about the coating cost, but I don't think that it would be more than buying stainless.

whats77inaname · 10-11-2007, 02:24 PM

BE, you popped into the Acura-Legend.com about this upgrade for the Second Generation Legends. We haven't heard back from you in a couple weeks, and there are those of us wanting to know if you have completed the retrofit for our cars?

Thanks!

exhaust_note · 10-11-2007, 03:44 PM

i did alot of reading but the pictures only show older setups.

is there a full setup for the 06+ Si?

BrakeExpert · 10-11-2007, 03:46 PM

There is a full front setup for the 06 Si.

My apologies to those on acura-legend.com, sorry about the delay. I'm back and I will be on tonight to answer everyones questions.

exhaust_note · 10-11-2007, 03:47 PM

its should be the same as an s2000 setup.

whats77inaname · 10-11-2007, 04:52 PM

Thank you. I picked up some RL calipers for $175 total, and I feel as if I've been sitting around with my thumb up my @ss waiting to find out what's what.

BrakeExpert · 10-11-2007, 10:10 PM

where'd you get RL calipers that cheap?

Demonis · 10-12-2007, 06:17 AM

sounds to me like the overall price of stainless would be worth it.

exhaust_note · 10-12-2007, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrakeExpert

There is a full front setup for the 06 Si.

Includes? for what price?

2 calipers
2 brackets
2 redrilled rotors
front pads
misc. lines

exhaust_note · 10-12-2007, 05:12 PM

alright so i just bought 2006 RL calipers.

what do i need to buy from you to make these work.

exhaust_note · 10-12-2007, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by accordselux

So, for those with comprehension issues like me, this kit uses:

Acura RL calipers
Acura TL rotors (no redrilling necessary)

?

is this right. we can use the 12.3 TL rotors w/o redrilling.

roastbeefrichie · 11-12-2007, 03:01 PM

WhiteHonda · 05-20-2009, 02:05 PM

I remembered seeing this a while ago. What ever happened with it? I now have the car and in need of an upgrade. It's between this or a wilwood setup more than likely.

Any info would be nice.

Squirtlee · 05-20-2009, 03:26 PM

wonder how the braking power of this thing is ... hmmmm

Nsane · 05-26-2009, 06:16 PM

holy old thread lol but i have this setup on my car:
RL Calipers; nissan 350Z brembo package sized rotors (12.8") ; oem si brake lines

the stopping power is great but it took alot of fabrication involed to get them to work right on the car. The spindle on our cars is different from other hondas as per what i found out but heres a pic. the stopping power is great FAR FROM A BOLT ON

6spdKEG · 05-27-2009, 12:40 PM

Is this brakeExpert really banned?

juicy juice · 05-29-2009, 07:26 PM

i was at Buttonwillow last year and there was a 07 si and a full race si and both had TL type S brakes

10-10-2007, 11:32 PM	#52
civic710 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA, USA Posts: 77	Re: (BrakeExpert) so nothing yet with the 12.3'' rotors off the TL?

10-11-2007, 12:22 AM	#53
BrakeExpert Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,223	Re: (civic710) No those rotors are proving more trouble than they're worth. I was hoping to use it for its hub-centricness, but the brackets would have to be modified even worse to the point where the knuckle tabs or the caliper itself would be have to be modified, so its not exactly a bolt on kit. for the extra .3", its worth doing it safer.

10-11-2007, 06:21 AM	#54
Demonis Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ft Worth, Tx, USA Posts: 2,512	Mmmm love this stuff... too bad I keep getting bankrupted by bills. __________________ 2002 DC5 NHBP - Daily (New Clutch! http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emthup.gif ) 2006 FG2 NHBP - KIA 1988 CRX Si Yellow - Sold

10-11-2007, 08:21 AM	#56
BrakeExpert Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,223	Re: (chiggin) Well yes that is an issue, but of course these can be painted (or coated) to remove the external rust factor. I have looked at aluminum, but the factor for me was safety, and I didn't want to use aluminum because no matter how you look at it, its 1/3 the weight of steel and 1/3 the strength. I'm using factory bolts to the knuckle which are still torqued down pretty heavy and its nice to be able to treat this bracket as a solid body. Stainless is just extra cost, and in all honestly, if unpainted, its only surface rust, so the only actual problem is cosmetic, I mean the brackets are a solid bar of steel, there not gonna break, hehe.

10-11-2007, 08:48 AM	#57
Demonis Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ft Worth, Tx, USA Posts: 2,512	whats the price difference for stainless vs paying extra to paint/powder coat. __________________ 2002 DC5 NHBP - Daily (New Clutch! http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emthup.gif ) 2006 FG2 NHBP - KIA 1988 CRX Si Yellow - Sold

10-11-2007, 02:24 PM	#60
whats77inaname Honda-Tech Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3	Re: (BrakeExpert) BE, you popped into the Acura-Legend.com about this upgrade for the Second Generation Legends. We haven't heard back from you in a couple weeks, and there are those of us wanting to know if you have completed the retrofit for our cars? Thanks!

10-11-2007, 03:44 PM	#61
exhaust_note Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: World ****ing Champions Posts: 1,066	i did alot of reading but the pictures only show older setups. is there a full setup for the 06+ Si? __________________ 07 AP2 http://salbones.blogspot.com/

10-11-2007, 03:46 PM	#62
BrakeExpert Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,223	Re: (exhaust_note) There is a full front setup for the 06 Si. My apologies to those on acura-legend.com, sorry about the delay. I'm back and I will be on tonight to answer everyones questions.

10-11-2007, 03:47 PM	#63
exhaust_note Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: World ****ing Champions Posts: 1,066	its should be the same as an s2000 setup. __________________ 07 AP2 http://salbones.blogspot.com/

10-11-2007, 04:52 PM	#64
whats77inaname Honda-Tech Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3	Re: (exhaust_note) Thank you. I picked up some RL calipers for $175 total, and I feel as if I've been sitting around with my thumb up my @ss waiting to find out what's what.

10-11-2007, 10:10 PM	#65
BrakeExpert Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,223	Re: (whats77inaname) where'd you get RL calipers that cheap?

10-12-2007, 06:17 AM	#66
Demonis Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ft Worth, Tx, USA Posts: 2,512	sounds to me like the overall price of stainless would be worth it. __________________ 2002 DC5 NHBP - Daily (New Clutch! http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emthup.gif ) 2006 FG2 NHBP - KIA 1988 CRX Si Yellow - Sold

10-12-2007, 05:12 PM	#68
exhaust_note Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: World ****ing Champions Posts: 1,066	alright so i just bought 2006 RL calipers. what do i need to buy from you to make these work. __________________ 07 AP2 http://salbones.blogspot.com/

11-12-2007, 03:01 PM	#70
roastbeefrichie Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: EF8, FF, JAPAN Posts: 454	Re: The biggest OEM Honda brake upgrade ever - Custom mounted Acura RL calipers (BrakeExpert) __________________ EF DA EG DC EK

05-20-2009, 02:05 PM	#71
WhiteHonda Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 458	Re: The biggest OEM Honda brake upgrade ever - Custom mounted Acura RL calipers I remembered seeing this a while ago. What ever happened with it? I now have the car and in need of an upgrade. It's between this or a wilwood setup more than likely. Any info would be nice. __________________ 2008 Honda Civic SI

05-20-2009, 03:26 PM	#72
Squirtlee Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Orange County, Californa Posts: 8	Re: The biggest OEM Honda brake upgrade ever - Custom mounted Acura RL calipers wonder how the braking power of this thing is ... hmmmm

05-26-2009, 06:16 PM	#73
Nsane Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 122	Re: The biggest OEM Honda brake upgrade ever - Custom mounted Acura RL calipers holy old thread lol but i have this setup on my car: RL Calipers; nissan 350Z brembo package sized rotors (12.8") ; oem si brake lines the stopping power is great but it took alot of fabrication involed to get them to work right on the car. The spindle on our cars is different from other hondas as per what i found out but heres a pic. the stopping power is great FAR FROM A BOLT ON __________________ 97 DC2 GSR -SOLD 07 FA5 Si Sedan NBP -Hit by DrunkDriver and SOLD 08 FG2 Si Coupe FBP Current Last edited by Nsane; 05-26-2009 at 06:22 PM.

05-27-2009, 12:40 PM	#74
6spdKEG Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: AZ, United States Posts: 991	Re: The biggest OEM Honda brake upgrade ever - Custom mounted Acura RL calipers Is this brakeExpert really banned? __________________ New ride = 08 Civic Si cpe old ride = 95 Civic cpe K20a2 swapped track whore.

05-29-2009, 07:26 PM	#75
juicy juice Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: dena, ca, usa Posts: 24	Re: The biggest OEM Honda brake upgrade ever - Custom mounted Acura RL calipers i was at Buttonwillow last year and there was a 07 si and a full race si and both had TL type S brakes

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