6G Civic Trim Differences

[NOFX]

Originally Posted by bad ferio lmao u cant be serious! i dont live in cuba for real man, thats just to throw people off. Of course I'm serious. Your location is listed as being in Cuba. I don't know you. How would I know you don't live in Cuba? The information on the chart is from the Honda parts catalog. The parts catalog lists the USDM '96 HX coupe as having power locks and windows. I don't know why yours wouldn't have them.

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[bad ferio]

ok well sry for the miscomunication, i need to find someone else with an hx to see if theirs had them or not

[NOFX]

Originally Posted by bad ferio

ok well sry for the miscomunication, i need to find someone else with an hx to see if theirs had them or not

Well, the Honda parts catalog at least says it should have both.

[jdmeg6118]

[SuckMyDOHC]

the chart lists the LX submodel as not having power windows or door locks, but they do. They also come with a front sway bar.

[DeSchlong]

I must respectfully disagree with the statement that no 1996 Sedans were built in Japan. The parts catalogue clearly lists that both a 1996 and 1997 4dr EX 5MT (KA or KL) Sedan have a Fuel Meter unit 37800-SR3-981 (later superceded to 37800-S04-305) that is compatible with it. This Fuel Meter unit only fits on Japan-produced vehicles, as indicated on the Fuel Gauge Sending Unit Test (page 23-142) of the 96-00 Civic Service Manual First Edition 8/99.

[NOFX]

Originally Posted by DeSchlong

I must respectfully disagree with the statement that no 1996 Sedans were built in Japan. The parts catalogue clearly lists that both a 1996 and 1997 4dr EX 5MT (KA or KL) Sedan have a Fuel Meter unit 37800-SR3-981 (later superceded to 37800-S04-305) that is compatible with it. This Fuel Meter unit only fits on Japan-produced vehicles, as indicated on the Fuel Gauge Sending Unit Test (page 23-142) of the 96-00 Civic Service Manual First Edition 8/99.

Get me the VIN of a USDM 1996 Civic sedan that was built in Japan.

Nothing you said proves any Japan-built 1996 model Civic was originally sold in the United States of America.

I see no mention of that part number (though built in Japan) being on Japan-built cars only.

The '96-'00 Honda Civic service manual (First Edition 8/99) shows 1996 USDM sedans as being built in the US and Canada only (page 1-3). Canadian sedans are listed as being built in the US only (page 1-6).


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Page 23-142 does not list any years of the cars. It only mentions that (within this generation covered by the manual) there is a Japan-produced unit (wire-wound type) and there is a USA, Canada-produced unit (ceramic board type). It does not mention anything by year.


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[DeSchlong]

Finding a specific VIN like that would be pretty tricky for me to do.

However, I have found that the service manual isn't always the gospel truth. For example, here is a VIN for a 1997 4dr Civic LX 4AT Sedan: 2HGEJ6630VH922280, and a small description of the vehicle here. Built in Canada, for the Canadian market, apparently. Short of me going to look at it, it potentially could be a US vehicle wrecked in Canada, but the VIN doesn't function to look up parts at US Honda Parts websites - a good sign that it is in fact a Canadian vehicle.

However, according to the service manual, this vehicle shouldn't exist.

There must be a mistake somewhere along the line. Either the wrecker input the incorrect VIN, or the manual is wrong.
(EDIT: Note that an incorrect VIN input code for the vehicle manufacturing origin is unlikely, as the vehicle grade is '3' (8th digit) is for the LX model version that only existed in Canada. (Yes there was a 1997 USDM LX, but this was vehicle grade '7'.) The 'H' code for the plant origin also identifies it as Alliston, ON)

If in fact there is an omission in the service manual regarding Canadian-built 1997 Sedan manufacturing origin for the Canadian market, this raises the possibility that there are other omissions, including potentially a Japan-built 1996 Sedan manufacturing origin for the US market.

(As an aside to my main point, I will also submit now that your table should be updated to reflect the likelihood that Canadian 1997 Civic 4dr Sedans were also built in Canada.)

I agree that my post above does not offer incontrovertible proof that Japan-built 1996 Sedans exist. To bolster my case, I submit this link, where under the heading "Vehicle Origin" and listed as "JPN", P/N 37800-S04-305 is valid for the following US-market vehicles:

1996 4DR LX KA 5MT
1996 4DR LX KL 5MT
1996 4DR DX KA 5MT
1996 4DR DX KL 5MT
1996 4DR EX KA 5MT
1996 4DR EX KL 5MT
1996 4DR LX (A/C) KA 5MT
1996 4DR LX (A/C) KL 5MT
1996 4DR LX (ABS) KA 5MT
1996 4DR LX (ABS) KL 5MT
1997 4DR DX KA 5MT
1997 4DR DX KA 4AT
1997 4DR DX KL 5MT
1997 4DR DX KL 4AT
1997 4DR EX KA 5MT
1997 4DR EX KA 4AT
1997 4DR LX (A/C) KA 5MT
1997 4DR LX (A/C) KA 4AT

This again suggests to me that both model years 1996 & 1997 had Civic Sedans that were manufactured in Japan.

[NOFX]

Where exactly are you seeing that this fuel metering unit (which was made in Japan) HAS to come on cars produced in Japan?

Plenty of cars have parts made in countries where the vehicle was not assembled.

I always took the manual to be mainly about US vehicles, so I would think errors about Canadian vehicles could be more likely.

Either way, I'm not changing the charts without proof. You telling me how likely you believe something to be is not proof.

[DeSchlong]

OK, I'll try to be more clear:
Click this link: http://www.hondapartsnow.com/Page_Product/PartDetail.aspx?catalogID=13&productID=4&yearID=14 &doorID=4&gradeID=8&areaID=2&transmissionID=3&orig inID=-1&colorLabelIDs=-1&colorLabelID=-1&sectionID=5&idAndImageID=1941%20455295&refNo=48& isBigPicture=True&isDisplayAll=True&pageName=Fuel% 20Tank%20(1)

Note the Heading in RED, stating among other things, "Part No." ... "Description" ... and "Vehicle Origin" .

This means VEHICLE origin, not PART origin. This where the vehicle was manufactured and assembled, not where the individual part was made. That part belongs to Japan-made Civics only from 1996 & 1997 as listed above.

If you still don't believe that, here it is, right from the help file in the Parts Program. I've circled the relevant parts in blue. J=Parts intended for vehicles made in Japan.



And, if you are still skeptical, here is a listing of fuel pumps for 1996 Civic Sedans manufactured in Japan off car-part.com. A phone call to one of these could land a positive-proof VIN.

http://car-part.com/cgi-bin/search.c...ey=&userPage=7

1996
Fuel Pump
Honda Civic
SED 4 DR , JAPAN BLT-
990045
$65
Auto Recyclers of Kansas 1-877-522-5025 USA-KS(Wichita)

1996
Fuel Pump
Honda Civic
PUMP ONLY SDN (4 DR) JAPAN
BZ086P
$50
Parker Motor Company, Inc. USA-NC(Oakboro)1-800-222-3388

1996
Fuel Pump
Honda Civic
Pmp only, Sed (4 Dr), Japan blt-
$49
All Discount Auto Salvage USA-TX(Grand-Prairie) 1-972-264-4466

Cheers.

[NOFX]

Originally Posted by DeSchlong

OK, I'll try to be more clear:
Click this link: http://www.hondapartsnow.com/Page_Product/PartDetail.aspx?catalogID=13&productID=4&yearID=14 &doorID=4&gradeID=8&areaID=2&transmissionID=3&orig inID=-1&colorLabelIDs=-1&colorLabelID=-1&sectionID=5&idAndImageID=1941%20455295&refNo=48& isBigPicture=True&isDisplayAll=True&pageName=Fuel% 20Tank%20(1)

Note the Heading in RED, stating among other things, "Part No." ... "Description" ... and "Vehicle Origin" .

This means VEHICLE origin, not PART origin. This where the vehicle was manufactured and assembled, not where the individual part was made. That part belongs to Japan-made Civics only from 1996 & 1997 as listed above.

If you still don't believe that, here it is, right from the help file in the Parts Program. I've circled the relevant parts in blue. J=Parts intended for vehicles made in Japan.



And, if you are still skeptical, here is a listing of fuel pumps for 1996 Civic Sedans manufactured in Japan off car-part.com. A phone call to one of these could land a positive-proof VIN.

http://car-part.com/cgi-bin/search.c...ey=&userPage=7

1996
Fuel Pump
Honda Civic
SED 4 DR , JAPAN BLT-
990045
$65
Auto Recyclers of Kansas 1-877-522-5025 USA-KS(Wichita)

1996
Fuel Pump
Honda Civic
PUMP ONLY SDN (4 DR) JAPAN
BZ086P
$50
Parker Motor Company, Inc. USA-NC(Oakboro)1-800-222-3388

1996
Fuel Pump
Honda Civic
Pmp only, Sed (4 Dr), Japan blt-
$49
All Discount Auto Salvage USA-TX(Grand-Prairie) 1-972-264-4466

Cheers.

Would you like me to personally research any other specific car?

I did a service by posting the information Honda makes available.

As far as finding a VIN, it should be pretty easy since you know you need to look for 1996 Honda Civic EX sedans with manual transmissions.

I looked for some.

From Cars.com (all checked out to be valid in the USDM EPC).

1996 Honda Civic EX sedan (Silver/5MT) - 2HGEJ8542TH504239
1996 Honda Civic EX sedan (Silver/5MT) - 1HGEJ8543TL008451
1996 Honda Civic EX sedan (Green/5MT) - 2HGEJ8546TH507855
1996 Honda Civic EX sedan (Green/5MT) - 2HGEJ8540TH544187

And from AutoTrader.com (that weren't on Cars.com - again, confirmed through the USDM EPC).

1996 Honda Civic EX sedan (Black/5MT) - 2HGEJ8546TH500923

No luck on finding one on eBay. But so far I haven't managed to find actual proof of the car you say was built in Japan as being built in Japan.

Here is what it looks like if I go through and select each code combination for a '96 EX sedan with a manual transmission in the EPC related to what the Mfg code is listed as for the fuel metering unit.

1996 Civic EX sedan (no entry) 5MT - CU
1996 Civic EX sedan (KA) 5MT - CU
1996 Civic EX sedan (KA) 5MT - J
1996 Civic EX sedan (KA) 5MT - CU
1996 Civic EX sedan (KL) 5MT - CU
1996 Civic EX sedan (KL) 5MT - J
1996 Civic EX sedan (KL) 5MT - J

But still, can't find any Japan-built '96 EX 5MT sedan.

Okay, now for some autos, just in case. Again, all '96 EX sedans.

2HGEJ8647TH507183
1HGEJ8647TL038504
2HGEJ864XTH555308
2HGEJ8644TH552498
2HGEJ8644TH552498
1HGEJ8641TL019107
1HGEJ8649TL012003
2HGEJ864XTH511793
1HGEJ8646TL032404
2HGEJ8643TH523350

Nope. None so far. So your theory is that they exist (sort of like how parts are listed for '99 Civic Si coupes in Roma Red, but so far I've never heard of one actually existing), but in practice it seems very difficult, if not impossible to find.

Let me know if you find a VIN.