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wickedEFguy · 05-17-2007, 11:49 AM

I got bored at work and but together all the PDF sites that use the energy suspension hyperflex kit, They're way of using part numbers with PDF files gets a little confusing so I got all of them together to stop any confusment for others. I also added the trailing arms so if you don't have any of these instructions then here's the direct links to them. Hope this helps

16.3103 - Front End Control Arm Bushing set
16.3104 (85) and (119) – Rear end control arm bushing set
16.10101 – Steering Rack Bushing Set (Power steering only)
16.8102 – Front Shock upper and Lower bushing set
16.1102 – Manual Transmission Shifter Stabilizer Bushing Set
16.8103 – Rear upper and lower bushing set
16.8104 – Front End Links
16.7102 - Front strut Rod Bushing Ser
16.5111 - (19MM) )Front Sway Bar Fram Bushings 16.5110 (18MM)
9.13103 – Tie Rod Boots
16.13101 – Front Ball Joint Boot set
16.102 – Sway bar
16.7106 – Rear Trailing Arms

16.18102 - CRX 1988-91 Hyperflew System Complete Master bushing Set
(17139, 17140, 17153, 17155, 17161, 17162, 17163, 17248, 17276, 17389)

16.3103 - http://energysuspension.com/pdf_instruc/17139.PDF
16.3104 - http://energysuspension.com/pdf_instruc/17140.PDF
16.10101 - http://energysuspension.com/pdf_instruc/17153.PDF
16.18102 - http://energysuspension.com/pdf_instruc/17155.PDF
16.1102 - http://energysuspension.com/pdf_instruc/17161.PDF
16.8102 - http://energysuspension.com/pdf_instruc/17162.PDF
16.8103 - http://energysuspension.com/pdf_instruc/17163.PDF
16.38104 - http://energysuspension.com/pdf_instruc/17248.PDF
16.18102 - http://energysuspension.com/pdf_instruc/17276.PDF
16.3111 - http://energysuspension.com/pdf_instruc/17389.PDF
16.102 - http://energysuspension.com/pdf_instruc/17039.PDF
16.7106 - http://energysuspension.com/pdf_instruc/17339.PDF

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dopey88 · 05-17-2007, 12:06 PM

WOW thank you i vote for a STICKY!!!

Tyson · 05-17-2007, 12:22 PM

as much as i recommend not using energy suspension bushings, the information is good and well organized.

its now in the FAQ.

btw, front swaybar bushings are 18mm on DX and Si. civic 4dr sedans are 19mm. HF is 17.2mm, which doesnt correspond to the "16mm" nominal size. i have no idea why they offer it as 16mm.

hust1er · 07-09-2007, 10:02 AM

y dont you recommend using es bushings?

crazykamper · 07-09-2007, 10:22 AM

^ also curious, trailing arm ones i understand, but why not the rest?

yuletak · 05-02-2008, 04:10 PM

Bump on the request for explanation of why not ES.

Deetz · 05-02-2008, 04:19 PM

I can give some insight....

I have a set on my crx. Most of the kit is pretty good, but...the bushing for the front lower control arms, make the ride stiff as hell and very harsh on bumps on the street.

Also, you have to be very liberal when applying the grease to them, poly bushing love to squeek. And sometime will require you to pull out a noisy one and re-apply grease time to time. Aside from that, the car will feel super solid, and handle great.

yuletak · 05-04-2008, 04:49 PM

Thanks for the info.

ED9man · 05-04-2008, 09:07 PM

Because you have to replace them every year unless you want to pull them out, clean, and relube them every few thousand miles. They are cheap enough if you are willing to put out the labor.

ComeOnKip · 05-05-2008, 06:21 AM

The reason poly sucks is because it responds like sticky rubber.... thus not allowing unihibited travel of the suspension arms. Notice how hard an LCA to move is once your replace the bushings w/ poly? cause all its doing is binding and grabbing.

For the street, If i ever replace bushings again i'm going hard rubber or just oem rubber. For a race car go spherical. Poly has no use for alot of suspension applications.

Zdyned · 05-05-2008, 10:57 AM

i replaced the front and rear LCA's only and it did squeak occasionaly like when going super slow and flexing over a speed bump, but if you drive a lowerd CRX then your ride is prolly already super stiff.

The sway arms though from what i understand are bad to replace with poly because they make the car way to stiff and do not allow enough travel.

so my point is selectively the ES kit isn't bad, but i think the entire kit makes the car way to stiff for daily use.

thanks for the info though it would have been nice to have this before i did my bushing... well maybe not because then i would have put them all in and the car would have been to stiff

yuletak · 05-13-2008, 01:47 AM

Thanks for all the great responses. I was set on purchasing the master set from Amazon for $142. Now I'll probably opt not to.

vtec_head · 07-10-2008, 10:17 AM

Does anyone recommend another aftermarket bushing kit?

My 88 rex desperately needs bushings all around!

About how much does this kit run for? Is it more or less expensive than O.E.?

thanks!

mike-y · 07-10-2008, 11:09 AM

also, poly bushings wear out much faster than oem rubber.. in just a couple of years they can become cracked and deteriorated and then you've got extra play in your suspension. Unless its a full on race car, just stick with new OEM bushings, or mugen hard rubber bushings if you want to pay the price for those.

And fwiw, the newer RTA replacement bushing that you can get from honda is a harder rubber (like the mugen piece) than the original ones that came with the car.

Charlie Moua · 06-02-2009, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike-y

And fwiw, the newer RTA replacement bushing that you can get from honda is a harder rubber (like the mugen piece) than the original ones that came with the car.

???

I know over the years honda will go with different manufactures.
How do you know that the bushing are harder(rubber) than the originals since it's not possible to compare a new "original" bushing with a new one?

Charlie

TunerN00b · 06-02-2009, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Moua

???

I know over the years honda will go with different manufactures.
How do you know that the bushing are harder(rubber) than the originals since it's not possible to compare a new "original" bushing with a new one?

Charlie

The part number changed when they swapped.
The new design has more rubber, and is visually different.
Durometer tests have confirmed that the material itself is also stiffer.

I haven't seen a direct comparison to the Mugen pieces. I also don't have the links to back what I wrote, I'm going off of memory here and might be including information I read on another forum. Hopefully I didn't mis-remember anything.

And you could compare the new design to the older design on a new bushing. At one point in time, you could get either of them from the dealer. They should have all been replaced with the new part by now though.

Charlie Moua · 06-02-2009, 08:04 PM

I'll have to price it out OEM and ES bushings. I think in some applications it would be okay to go with ES but some I'll opt for OEM. Can somone help double check my list for OEM P#?

Energy Suspension Hyperflex Kit 88-91 civic/crx
16.3103 - Front End Control Arm Bushing set H# 51393-SH3-003 - $17.80
16.3104 (85) and (119) – Rear end control arm bushing H# 52365-SH3-000 (2) - $14.22
16.8102 – Front Shock lower bushing H# 51810-SH3-004 - $13.77
16.1102 – Manual Transmission Shifter Stabilizer Bushing Set
16.8103 – Rear lower bushing H# 52622-SH3-010 - $14.41
16.8104 – Front sway-bar end link bushing # 52316-692-010 (8) $1.66
16.7102 - Front strut rod Bushing
16.5110 - Front Sway Bar (18mm) Frame Bushings H# 51316-SH3-000 (2) $4.14
9.13103 – Tie Rod Boots
16.13101 – Front Ball Joint Boot set
16.102 – Rear sway-bar end links bushing H# 52314-SH3-000 (2) - $5.88
16.7106 – Rear Trailing Arms (USE OEM, Mugen or Megan)

OEM EF ('88-00 Civic, '88-91 CRX, '97-01 CR-V, '93-97 del Sol, '94-01 Integra) #52385-S21-003 - $34.95 (or 52385-SR3-000 - $54.69)
OEM DA - 52385-SK7-N02

05-17-2007, 12:22 PM	#3
Tyson Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: I am, Tyson, in 90504 Posts: 15,225	Re: For those that need the ES hyperflex and trailing arm instructions please look (wickedEFguy) as much as i recommend not using energy suspension bushings, the information is good and well organized. its now in the FAQ. btw, front swaybar bushings are 18mm on DX and Si. civic 4dr sedans are 19mm. HF is 17.2mm, which doesnt correspond to the "16mm" nominal size. i have no idea why they offer it as 16mm. __________________ Don't IM me your TECHNICAL question. Start a thread, I'll answer there. FS: Mugen CF-48 13x5.5 -38 Wheels NIB FS: 4040 Brake Proportioning Valves

07-09-2007, 10:02 AM	#4
hust1er Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 52	Re: For those that need the ES hyperflex and trailing arm instructions please look (Tyson) y dont you recommend using es bushings?

05-02-2008, 04:10 PM	#6
yuletak Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Menlo Park, CA, USA Posts: 22	Why not ES? Bump on the request for explanation of why not ES.

05-02-2008, 04:19 PM	#7
Deetz Member 2002 Acura RSX Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Calgary, AB, Canada Posts: 3,316	I can give some insight.... I have a set on my crx. Most of the kit is pretty good, but...the bushing for the front lower control arms, make the ride stiff as hell and very harsh on bumps on the street. Also, you have to be very liberal when applying the grease to them, poly bushing love to squeek. And sometime will require you to pull out a noisy one and re-apply grease time to time. Aside from that, the car will feel super solid, and handle great. __________________ 1989 CRX SI 2000 EM1- Vogue Silver 2002 RSX -K24 project on the way

05-04-2008, 04:49 PM	#8
yuletak Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Menlo Park, CA, USA Posts: 22	Re: (Deetz) Thanks for the info.

05-17-2007, 12:06 PM	#2
dopey88 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Posts: 101	WOW thank you i vote for a STICKY!!!

07-09-2007, 10:22 AM	#5
crazykamper Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Southern CA, CA, USA Posts: 2,724	^ also curious, trailing arm ones i understand, but why not the rest? __________________ WTB : Full-Coilovers for ek! ; Preffer F&F Type 2, or type 1,but pm me what you got! (ground controls or buddyclub or whatever it maybe...)

05-04-2008, 09:07 PM	#9
ED9man Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 501	Re: (crazykamper) Because you have to replace them every year unless you want to pull them out, clean, and relube them every few thousand miles. They are cheap enough if you are willing to put out the labor.

05-05-2008, 06:21 AM	#10
ComeOnKip Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Where the wild things are in, NY, United States of America Posts: 2,646	The reason poly sucks is because it responds like sticky rubber.... thus not allowing unihibited travel of the suspension arms. Notice how hard an LCA to move is once your replace the bushings w/ poly? cause all its doing is binding and grabbing. For the street, If i ever replace bushings again i'm going hard rubber or just oem rubber. For a race car go spherical. Poly has no use for alot of suspension applications. __________________ We all knew what consequences could be with the crew we had at the controls, there's no harbor age for the USA-holes. I doubt there's a benign God to save our souls, cuz no one else is gonna save the USA-holes

05-05-2008, 10:57 AM	#11
Zdyned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Humboldt, CA, USA Posts: 13	Re: (ComeOnKip) i replaced the front and rear LCA's only and it did squeak occasionaly like when going super slow and flexing over a speed bump, but if you drive a lowerd CRX then your ride is prolly already super stiff. The sway arms though from what i understand are bad to replace with poly because they make the car way to stiff and do not allow enough travel. so my point is selectively the ES kit isn't bad, but i think the entire kit makes the car way to stiff for daily use. thanks for the info though it would have been nice to have this before i did my bushing... well maybe not because then i would have put them all in and the car would have been to stiff

05-13-2008, 01:47 AM	#12
yuletak Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Menlo Park, CA, USA Posts: 22	Thanks for all the great responses. I was set on purchasing the master set from Amazon for $142. Now I'll probably opt not to.

07-10-2008, 10:17 AM	#13
vtec_head Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: College Park, MD, USA Posts: 215	Re: (yuletak) Does anyone recommend another aftermarket bushing kit? My 88 rex desperately needs bushings all around! About how much does this kit run for? Is it more or less expensive than O.E.? thanks! __________________ '07' Accord V6 sedan and '88' Anthracite VW grey CRX zc and '07' Honda Rincon 680cc 4x4 atv and a '07' Tundra 5.7 ltr. TRD dbl cab(sorry it's not a Honda) "the more you know.....the faster you will go"

07-10-2008, 11:09 AM	#14
mike-y Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: SoCal, CA, USA Posts: 782	Re: (vtec_head) also, poly bushings wear out much faster than oem rubber.. in just a couple of years they can become cracked and deteriorated and then you've got extra play in your suspension. Unless its a full on race car, just stick with new OEM bushings, or mugen hard rubber bushings if you want to pay the price for those. And fwiw, the newer RTA replacement bushing that you can get from honda is a harder rubber (like the mugen piece) than the original ones that came with the car. __________________ -----------------------

06-02-2009, 08:04 PM	#17
Charlie Moua Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Saint Paul, MN, USA Posts: 9,298	Re: For those that need the ES hyperflex and trailing arm instructions please look I'll have to price it out OEM and ES bushings. I think in some applications it would be okay to go with ES but some I'll opt for OEM. Can somone help double check my list for OEM P#? Energy Suspension Hyperflex Kit 88-91 civic/crx 16.3103 - Front End Control Arm Bushing set H# 51393-SH3-003 - $17.80 16.3104 (85) and (119) – Rear end control arm bushing H# 52365-SH3-000 (2) - $14.22 16.8102 – Front Shock lower bushing H# 51810-SH3-004 - $13.77 16.1102 – Manual Transmission Shifter Stabilizer Bushing Set 16.8103 – Rear lower bushing H# 52622-SH3-010 - $14.41 16.8104 – Front sway-bar end link bushing # 52316-692-010 (8) $1.66 16.7102 - Front strut rod Bushing 16.5110 - Front Sway Bar (18mm) Frame Bushings H# 51316-SH3-000 (2) $4.14 9.13103 – Tie Rod Boots 16.13101 – Front Ball Joint Boot set 16.102 – Rear sway-bar end links bushing H# 52314-SH3-000 (2) - $5.88 16.7106 – Rear Trailing Arms (USE OEM, Mugen or Megan) OEM EF ('88-00 Civic, '88-91 CRX, '97-01 CR-V, '93-97 del Sol, '94-01 Integra) #52385-S21-003 - $34.95 (or 52385-SR3-000 - $54.69) OEM DA - 52385-SK7-N02 __________________ <FONT SIZE="1"><FONT COLOR="green">VOUCH Thread</FONT></FONT> Dyno Apexi B16a 10psi Dyno Apexi B18b 10psi Dyno Apexi B18b 14psi <FONT COLOR="gold">Mugen 無限 Power</FONT> 235whp & 175tq @ 7psi 280whp & 205tq @ 10psi 300whp & 230tq @ 14psi Last edited by Charlie Moua; 06-03-2009 at 09:48 AM.

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