2nd gen 1980 cvcc W/ B16 swap

[Jonathan_ED3]

The 1G Civic 1200's are that light. The CVCC 1G are quite a few pounds heavier. A 2G is going to be at least 1800lbs ++ unless there is some major weight reduction. Even removing the bumpers won't do much; they only weigh about 5lbs. They look small, but my 2G is actually larger in some dimensions than my brothers '89 hatchback. Factor in driver weight, and a swapped 2G is about on par with a swapped CRX HF performance wise.

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[RuskeR]

1800-1900 sounds about right. I have an 83 and it's not as light as you'd think it would be. Even at 1900lbs you should be able to run very low 14's if not high 13's.

How big of a wheel can you fit under there without modifying the wheelwell? I had a set of fat fives laying around and I've always wondered if I could stuff them under there. Some nice panasport knock-offs would look cool

[RuskeR]

Not to hijack the thread but here is my 2G. Haven't driven it in... 5 years? Had good tires on it but it's been out of the garage for the last 3 years without moving so I'm guessing the tires might have developed flat spots and need to be replaced.



With the recent rise in gas prices I've been thinking about getting this running again and using it to drive to work and school. The GSR gets 33-ish mpg, and the SR 240 isn't even an option right now.

I don't even remember what a stock 2G gets as far as mpg. At least I'd be able to use shitty Safeway un-leaded.


cvccvtec: Are you painting it OEM white? or maybe off white (type r)

[cvccvtec]

it was only a guess ya like i said can't find any weights on the 2nd gen civic only the stupid haynes i said it didnt sound right but thats what i went with open to all weights i know the 88-91 is about 2300 + i don't know the 1st gen ill go to the weight dock at work to find out then post it on for mine but remember the B16 100-200 lbs more than stock 1300 motor. ill scan the weight ticket.
oh any one know anything about the 2 o2 swap to one, w/ out the cut and splice to one. ive looked all over but can't find it.
oh and found some kick butt wheels old school style but new

[cvccvtec]

damn that looks clean nice civic i like the color.

[cvccvtec]

now you said 15's will do fine on the 2nd gen right? the wheels i found are 15" what tires do you have 7x50 ?

[cvccvtec]

going stock color-colour white it took 3 months to find a fender for it it was more$$ than i got the car for paid 20.00$ for the car online the fender was 125.00
still need a pass-side head light garnish can't find.

[Jonathan_ED3]

15" fit just fine..go 195/50. 205 rubs on the strut from what I've been told, unless you've got a perfect offset.

15 x 7 with 195/50 tires in 4 x 4 mode. lol

http://server4.pictiger.com/im...a.jpg

As far as gas mileage....I used to get 40++...the engine has 220K on it now and it's getting tired. Now it hovers at 30ish. I'll eventually swap it, but I've got too many projects going on and it's going slow.


Modified by Jonathan_ED3 at 10:38 PM 5/8/2007

[RuskeR]

Originally Posted by cvccvtec

it was only a guess ya like i said can't find any weights on the 2nd gen civic only the stupid haynes i said it didnt sound right but thats what i went with open to all weights i know the 88-91 is about 2300 + i don't know the 1st gen ill go to the weight dock at work to find out then post it on for mine but remember the B16 100-200 lbs more than stock 1300 motor. ill scan the weight ticket.
oh any one know anything about the 2 o2 swap to one, w/ out the cut and splice to one. ive looked all over but can't find it.
oh and found some kick butt wheels old school style but new

That is exactly what I was thinking about. They look like panasports.. not sure if they are real or not but you can find cheap knock-offs of those rims.

[RuskeR]

Originally Posted by Jonathan_ED3

15" fit just fine..go 195/50. 205 rubs on the strut from what I've been told, unless you've got a perfect offset.

15 x 7 with 195/50 tires in 4 x 4 mode. lol

http://server4.pictiger.com/im...a.jpg

As far as gas mileage....I used to get 40++...the engine has 220K on it now and it's getting tired. Now it hovers at 30ish. I'll eventually swap it, but I've got too many projects going on and it's going slow.


Modified by Jonathan_ED3 at 10:38 PM 5/8/2007

Wow that is the cleanest 2G I've seen. Did you repaint it?

What is the chassis code for the 2nd gen?

Know of any good sites that have information on these cars? I had a bunch of stuff saved back in the day but I've since lost it.

ccvcvtec: how hard was the wiring? what did you need from the donor car?

[cvccvtec]

jonathan_ED3 knows more about the 2nd gen than i do. i just did a swap im still learning about them and the history of mugen cvcc. i had one at 16 yo but was being stupid at that age lol.

the rims ive seen are ( Chaparral )made for mazda miata
there on Ebay right now like 5-10 of them going for 495.00 to 695.00 damn they would look good on the 2nd gen

[cvccvtec]

hay just wanted to tell ya when your ready to do a swap do the B16-B18 any B in it i have pics step by step on what to wire up using the 90 civic DX wire harness what fits what to get using the stock cluster and ignition switch all detailed pics so you dont have to fish for all the crap like i had to

to let every one here know. the custom axles are made at a shop in portland Or, there 90-91 acura teg axles- Cut and resplined. the axle rod is 14" long after cut each side there the same size on both. only with the measurements of the mount brackets i made.

[RuskeR]

Rota RB's look very similar. They make a 13x8. Not sure if they have the correct size you need.



I believe these are RB's on a VW Rabbit. They look sick.

[RuskeR]

Originally Posted by cvccvtec

hay just wanted to tell ya when your ready to do a swap do the B16-B18 any B in it i have pics step by step on what to wire up using the 90 civic DX wire harness what fits what to get using the stock cluster and ignition switch all detailed pics so you dont have to fish for all the crap like i had to

to let every one here know. the custom axles are made at a shop in portland Or, there 90-91 acura teg axles- Cut and resplined. the axle rod is 14" long after cut each side there the same size on both. only with the measurements of the mount brackets i made.

How much were the axles?

[cvccvtec]

hory!!!! shit im im love with the wheels '''' i mean a striper' lol ya ive look and look for the wheels with the lip on thoes wheels sweet thanks for the pic..
oh ya the axles were 100.00 for both sides to be cut -resplined
was not bad at all for me to poop on!
the car is done im lazy again.


i drove it to the gas station that was funny
i have alot of post's online your the first to know its done
then i drove it to a friend's house to show. on the way this guy in a 95 civic EX hatch was room'''roooom en' me on the freeway lol so let him go by me. lol
naaaaa! not done lol" then i got in the fast lane ------
he was 3 cars ahead ,now i hooted the horn at him waited'right by him
i was in 4th........ then slamed 3rd wwwith VTEC ooooh the look of his face when he herd Vtec lol ( Priceless )
i stoped after the rush. then looked back
wow seen he still was in awww.
9 cars back lol.
now im sure im ganna get more of this ill post a vid on streetfire.com
just for the stupid rush of road RASH
he stoped me ta the exit the wanted to know what the VTec in the motor was
funny he was thinking it was a sohc.
ok ok its was more than fun
it did put me in the seat
and the Kick was a lill too much with that 6 puc-clutch
i didnt like it.
but on the track would be ok.
stop lights was go-or-kill.

[cvccvtec]

ill let you guys know frist only cuz i had more + feed back with this build thanks guys for the help... and thanks Jonathan_ED3 for the help when i needed it. hope you do the same w/ the swap there are right now B16-B17B18 and B20 4 w/ a swap in them B20- and B18 for sure on the 78-79 civic that i know of,
hay like the EMAIL sayed --1stg----GetRdone right do the swap bud... 83 S would be sweet the S would be new right now and might be a lill diff than mine w/ the axles and all mine was the 1300 cvcc 1980.

[cvccvtec]

looking at that i see its on air ride for VDUBBED seen it long time ago
we were the one's to build the first---- VW bus blue- whit flames air ride 4 ' drop
at drop-Zone in Or, we were in the mag... my brother still has the post in the magaz. that was a bitch to drop they said can't do it they were wrong but right it was done but took 3 years to do it i did the weld a fab on it....have pic for proof...under study pics like what i have for cvcc-B16 .... we did the subaru justy 4x4 4" lift w/ swampers as well on cardomain.com its red we had two the black and read
we did the mud-drags whith them we do alot of off the wall stuff. here is the justy we played with.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2360937

[RuskeR]

Originally Posted by cvccvtec

hory!!!! shit im im love with the wheels '''' i mean a striper' lol ya ive look and look for the wheels with the lip on thoes wheels sweet thanks for the pic..
oh ya the axles were 100.00 for both sides to be cut -resplined
was not bad at all for me to poop on!
the car is done im lazy again.

Yeah these wheels are sick and I think they are fairly cheap as well. There is a guy on HondaTech that has some of the best prices I've seen on Rotas. Finding the correct tires for it should be fun.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zero...e=274

$100 for both axles isn't bad at all. At first I was thinking that would be pretty expensive to get done.

Let's see more pics of the car running. How does it feel driving around? Can you notice the additional weight in the front?

[RuskeR]

Originally Posted by cvccvtec

ill let you guys know frist only cuz i had more + feed back with this build thanks guys for the help... and thanks Jonathan_ED3 for the help when i needed it. hope you do the same w/ the swap there are right now B16-B17B18 and B20 4 w/ a swap in them B20- and B18 for sure on the 78-79 civic that i know of,
hay like the EMAIL sayed --1stg----GetRdone right do the swap bud... 83 S would be sweet the S would be new right now and might be a lill diff than mine w/ the axles and all mine was the 1300 cvcc 1980.

Anyone info online about these other swaps into the 2ng gen?

[Jonathan_ED3]

You're not going to find any solid info about a swap bro. They're not bolt in, and everybody has their own way of doing things.

You may run across a how-to that will look something like this:

Remove old engine.
Drop in new engine and fab mounts.
Cut custom axles.
Complete wiring.

Perhaps the best collection of photos (which for these cars is about as close to "information" as you can expect to find) is on Cardomain.

You'll see many guys over seas with B series swaps in these cars.

[RuskeR]

Originally Posted by Jonathan_ED3

You're not going to find any solid info about a swap bro. They're not bolt in, and everybody has their own way of doing things.

You may run across a how-to that will look something like this:

Remove old engine.
Drop in new engine and fab mounts.
Cut custom axles.
Complete wiring.

Perhaps the best collection of photos (which for these cars is about as close to "information" as you can expect to find) is on Cardomain.

You'll see many guys over seas with B series swaps in these cars.

I guess what I was asking was for other build threads/web sites like this thread that details the swap itself. I know there are numerous ways to go about things and that is part of the reason I'd like to read up as much as I can before I jump into this project. I'm like you... I've got more than one project right now so time is a big factor in doing this.

[cvccvtec]

befor i did the swap i seen in asia a 2nd gen civic was swaped w/ the b16 but no info i had to do the swap w/ out knowing crap i looked for alot of info and nothing for the 2nd gen civic ive seen only mine is on web but i only have a lill pics out of 1000,s and more than 10 post's at diff places. people Email me all the time that want more info so i do my best with sending out info.
for people doing the swap on the 80-83 civic here is the VSS swap in the stock cluster.

[deepsouthhybrid]

awesome post some video i would love to see it

[91' LS-VTEC]

I remember going to HIN around 02-03' in Seattle and seeing 2 cvcc's with LS swaps in them, and thinking oneday I need to build one of those. Seeing your car/build makes me want to build me one of those.

[RuskeR]

Originally Posted by 91’ LS-VTEC

I remember going to HIN around 02-03' in Seattle and seeing 2 cvcc's with LS swaps in them, and thinking oneday I need to build one of those. Seeing your car/build makes me want to build me one of those.

Funny you say that because I saw the same thing and thought how great of an idea that would be to do.