mgags7

Ok guys



that is a 3.2 cl type s engine, through the factory 6speed, with xs power headers and an intake......

after seeing redneckdave's accord/cl-s swap thread https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1315550

kulrevon and I have been discussing the details of possibly doing it in a prelude.

I figure since it fits in an accord, and accords fit h22s, that our car will fit it.....lets get some info out on it

basically we're looking at easy power, huge torque at low rpm, 200hp at 5k, power until 6.5k, and a factory 6speed with lsd

mgags7

the main questions floating around in my head are as follows:
1) axle sizing/spline differences
2) ground clearance (just to be sure)
3) wiring hassles...I dont think the factory ecu->shock tower harness is gonna cut it....though I could be wrong....
4) hood clearance

Revi

Blahahahaah! I was actually looking around last night about doing this. Those motors go cheap too. There are a few people on ebay selling the 3.2cl type-s motor for $800.

My thoughts are with the right amount of money and time it can be done. The axels to me would be the least of my worries because you can get them custom made if it comes down to it. Like a cl inboard joint with a prelude out board joint. Ground clearance could be an issue as well as cross member clearance. Wiring could be a mess but thats what wiring diagrams are for.

I was looking at the motor mounts for a cl on slhondaparts and they seem to have some kind of vaccum/liguid system working with them which i thought was interesting.

mgags7

I'm gonna keep an eye out for a factory manual for the cl type-s

Note that most likely, it shares everything with a tl type-s as well.....

I bet the trans is fairly expensive.....also are these things drive by wire?? That could be gay...

Silver Surfer

i'm just waiting for them to put the sh-awd system into one of the sports cars
right now it's just in the RL and the suv.


but on topic what is the weight compared to the h22......how will this affect weight distribution.

i have always liked the idea of the 3.2 swap, the initial gain would probably be simliar to h22 in a hatch, but is there much aftermarket support for the motor and trans?

Mykizism

that would be awesome.. i personally was thinking about putting one of my favorite v6 engines a VG30e, in my 240..

i think a v6 in the prelude would fit nicely, probably would want find a donor car for the small parts that you will need for sure!

Revi

Also the tranny sits on the opposite side of the H22 which would mean custom motor mounts would have to be welded and such.

mgags7

I suppose their aftermarket support is about on line with the h a few years ago...lol

Getting smsp to make a header for it wouldn't be completely out of the question I suppose, he's in VA so you could just drive up there. As far as internals go I probably wouldn't even bother, though if you did, it would most likely have to be custom.

I just was reading a bit on their forums and a lot of them are taking the 3.5l bottom ends out of the MDX and using their heads.

I don't forsee needing aftermarket support for the trans....though that brings to mind, I wonder if they're cable or hydraulic shift.....

questions questions boys....I need to get my hands on one of these cars

mgags7

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I doubt that, I believe redneckdave just dropped his in. I do need to look better though.

edit: Just found out, the mounts match up, so that is fine. Use the CL trans mount, and accord mounts for the rest.

A half clip of one of these cars would be the best way to do this, luckily my roommate's dad owns Japan Direct Motors (www.usedengine.com) and I could probably get him to get me one for a good price if I ever do this. Verrrrry interesting......

Revi

Check out the CL motor mounts.

Revi

I just saw that redneckdave post, whoa! That thing is sweet. What motor came in that year accord, i thought it already had a V6?

mgags7

It was in a 99accord...which can come with a v6 optionally, but more importantly, h22s drop in those cars, meaning the mounts are the same as ours

again, wiring is the biggest concern here.

anybody want an h22 swap? how about an rmf header?

Revi

Im at work so i can read everything on the redneckdave swap but did he end up doing custom mounts? Did he make them himself or did he have some one make custom mounts for him? The biggest pain in the *** would be mounting it in, after that everything else would fall into place, but i agree about the wiring, that could be a pain in the ***.

Mykizism

v6 is the new k20

kulrevon

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1741656

check out pg 6 it has the j32 in a ek civic.


The wieght of the motor. is 300lbs. not sure about the trans.

mgags7

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The thing literally drops in, no custom mounts required.

I wouldn't be worrying about the wiring if I thought that the shock tower harness would take care of it. But I don't. I believe there will have to be a major change in wiring from the engine harness to the ecu, unlike motor 4cyl for 4cyl swaps. I <u>need</u> schematics so I can figure out what is common btw the two and what isn't. I'll be able to make a separate harness to carry the extra wiring down to the ecu if I have to.

I'm not really worried, I just need info. There's nothing hard about making engine harnesses as long as you have good info on the connections and pinouts at the ecu. I also need to figure out if this thing will plug up to my 96 lude's obd2a connectors, or what I need to do to get it plugged up. This will make inspection a lot easier for me btw, having to switch to an obd2 ecu every year sucks.

mgags7

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LOL

Another thing we need to worry about is if the alternator will fit, I don't give a **** about ps and ac...lol

98vtec

is anyone actually going to do this?

Revi

One thing that turned me off about the swap is aftermarket support. It would be nice to do the swap but then to modify it we would be limited to stock numbers. You could alwasy get custom stuff made but that would be hella expensive.

mgags7

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(jean girard accent)maybe.....juuuust maybe(/accent)

It depends, if its gonna work without any welding work I might look into doing it this summer.

If I can get them to get me a half cut of a car for a reasonable price I'm gonna try it, and drive a civic or something around for a while until its done.

Who knows....but ****, with all the $$ I have invested in my current engine/trans/ecu/etc, I could probably come close to spending less than 1k on the swap as I see it now, who knows.

kulrevon

I have been contemplating this swap after I saw this thread with this picture in it. The thing is no one knows whos car this is.

Wireing will be easy for me I am obd1.

And https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1315550&page=1

uses stinger 4

with many stock sensors.

98vtec

i got an aim IM the other day when i was at school that said he had just seen a 5th gen prelude with a CL type S swap at a gas station.

kulrevon

Who aimed you? and you sure it was a cl type s and not a type s rsx.

98vtec

he said it was a V6, 3.0L vtec with an acura symbol on it.

i forget who it was.

kulrevon

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1840609

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i forget who it was.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That sounds like the old accord. or old cl. we are interested in the new stuff but I believe it will fit just the same.

Any way we can find this person.