How to put X brakes on your 96-00 EK Civic (revised) Upgrade Chart - UPDATED

[CJ_2Dr]

i understand completely, and was not trying to get it off just topic just had the question on my mind so i figured i would ask, and as for the dick shit, sry i am sick of when someone ask a question and some asshole from nowhere give a snotty comment or an unnessesary comment when it is not needed, so sry i just over reacted carry on with he thread. but this is some good info..

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[Plumster]

Great info.. but I was looking for the upgrade chart. It no longer appears on the old thread which references this thread for the new chart, but I don't see it!

Thanks to the original poster. There is alot of great information here for us Noobs!

[tsxownz]

me too... i need that front upgrade chart!

btw: does the front tsx calipers can be used for upgrade?

[Eaglekper0046]

What happened to the brake chart?

[5lugSlug]

Originally Posted by Eaglekper0046

What happened to the brake chart?

put the brake chart back up..

[Targa250R]

So what do you all need to know while the brake chart is down? I can help, because it's all in my noggin.

[BrakeExpert]

Chart is back up, LONG story, sorry about that.

[doodooheadfart]

im having trouble understanding the upgrade chart... could someone please help me out? i have a '96 civic LX and want to upgrade my fronts to 10.2" what's the cheapest and easiest way to do it?

[Targa250R]

Originally Posted by doodooheadfart

im having trouble understanding the upgrade chart... could someone please help me out? i have a '96 civic LX and want to upgrade my fronts to 10.2" what's the cheapest and easiest way to do it?

Find a '96-00 EX in a junkyard and take its front knuckles with attached brakes . . .

[incognito E46]

subscribe.... good info

[eh2]

BrakeExpert, wonderful information you supplied to us HT.com members. To you .

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I got this rear caliper and mounting bracket off a 92-96 Prelude VTEC. 9CLP14S is engraved on the caliper body, which is the same as RSX and EP3 rear caliper. But I'm not sure if the caliper mounting bracket are the same between the Prelude VTEC and RSX/EP3. If anyone knows please let me know so the information can be cleared. By the way, an "8" is on the mounting bracket, as you can see in the picture. Does the caliper mounting bracket from the RSX/EP3 have the same 8 or something else?


Modified by eh2 at 9:23 PM 2/21/2007

[BrakeExpert]

The engraving on the caliper simply indicates its the same piston size and basically the same internals. Given that prelude takes RSX/ITR/EP3 pads, im sure the bracket will work for a 10.2" upgrade on Civics and Integras. The caliper body will work, hydraulic wise. As for attaching the e-brake cable, you can thread it through that hole and it will grab the hammer using your stock civic/teg cables, but the cables might not be routed like they are stock, so you may have to get creative with zip ties. I'm sure you can make these work though. You may or may not have to swap the calipers left to right to get the e-brake bracket in a better location. Remember that if you do this, you have to dismount the caliper from the bracket for bleeding because the bleeder cant point down (I have to do this every time.)

[eh2]

Do you know if the RSX/EP3 rear caliper mounting bracket have any stamped/engraved numbers? For example: T23, T25, etc found on front honda caliper mounting brackets.

[batboyvaj]

I have a vtec (b16) delsol with rear disc. I believe they are the 10.3 brakes. For the s2000 brakes, in the chart it doesn't have the "B" at the EX knucle. But since my car should have the "EX" brakes, the s2000 calipers should bolt right up? Also, what makes these stronger than the 2 pot brakes? Will this setup fit under 15" wheels?

[Targa250R]

Originally Posted by batboyvaj

I have a vtec (b16) delsol with rear disc. I believe they are the 10.3 brakes. For the s2000 brakes, in the chart it doesn't have the "B" at the EX knucle. But since my car should have the "EX" brakes, the s2000 calipers should bolt right up? Also, what makes these stronger than the 2 pot brakes? Will this setup fit under 15" wheels?

The del Sol VTEC (not the del Sol Si, to clarify for those of you who don't know the difference) uses the same front brakes as a '93-95 Civic EX 2dr non-ABS. The front calipers are 16CL14VNs, with 10.3" vented rotors. For the rears, it uses the ubiquitous 7CLP13S/9.4" solid disc setup.

No, S2000 brakes will not fit under 15" wheels. 16" minimum.

[BrakeExpert]

The EP3 rear bracket i have has a stamp "3EP" on it but Ive heard not all have this marking. The Prelude's brackets i can almost guarantee will work. The calipers might take some convincining as I stated earlier.


The S2000 brakes won't fit under 15s, get 16s there better anyway.

The benefit of S2000 brakes over the 2 pot 11.8" brakes is the weight. If you are refering to the Legend GS calipers on an 11.1" rotor, the caliper is more than 7lbs lighter and the rotor weighs about the same, maybe less. If you are refering to an 11.8" rotor with the RL bracket and NSX/Legend 2 pot calipers, again the caliper is lighter but the NSX/11.8" brakes are gonna stop a lot better however that 28mm thick 11.8" rotor is noticably heavier than the S2000's 25mm thick one and the RL caliper is VERY heavy.

Regarding the chart, that lack of a B for bold I guess was a typo. I have edited it and added to the chart the TL setup, though for almost everybody, I suggest against this setup.


DooDoo, the EASIEST way to get bigger brakes is to buy a set of ITR calipers with machined brackets and filed pads from me. This makes it a bolt on upgrade for you without having to take off the axle nuts and disconnecting ball joints. All you'd have to do is bolt this and a larger MC on, and bleed the system.

CJ, its cool and sorry if I sounded like an ass.


**I am also looking into a larger custom rear setup involving some 83 Honda Civic calipers. If anyone has some NSX calipers or those from an 06 Civic (Si or not) please contact me.

Chart is back up and updated!!!


Modified by BrakeExpert at 12:49 AM 2/23/2007

[BrakeExpert]

All questions answered I hope, and the charts are back and edited for clarity and some possibilities!


***I am looking for 06 Civic/04 Accord calipers for testing more possibilities.***

[dew_fever]

Wow this would have been great to have about 5 months ago...I ended up putting in 99'-00' si rear disk brakes and front 00' integra brakes, on to my 00' lx. All I can say is do your research trust me...But I learned quiet a bit though so all in good fun! :D good stuff though!

[batboyvaj]

On http://www.team-integra.net/se...=1089 they use the 28mm rotor with the original integra hub (it looks like a gsr) is it required to use the itr hub

[BrakeExpert]

Um....what?

Is this a question? Please clarify.

If you are refereing to that setup, that guy used a NSX caliper/bracket and if its a 28mm rotor, odds are he got it from a Legend GS 94-95. Since he used his stock suspension and hub, his 28T brackets had to be milled down to clear that rotor same as a 4x100 ITR setup.

I've read his write up and he is very thoruogh and suggests to do as him unless you know what your doing, and thats a good thing. I personally with a D-series motor will not run the 28mm rotor because 1, its noticably more rotational mass to ME (not everyone will feel this way) and 2, my car is 2300lbs with road tires, I am never going to need the heat capacity that GS rotor has to offer.

[batboyvaj]

would the pistons on the nsx caliper be pushing out to far with the 23 mm rotor? I'm trying to wage whether it will benefit me running the thicker rotor. this will be on my road race turbo delsol. 303 hp

So if I run a the 28mm rotor from a legend gs, then I can keep my stock hubs?

[BrakeExpert]

5mm more than they are suppose to. What some people do is get a set of totally dead brake pads, and use the backing plate as a shim. This method works well because you can actually treat it like the inner shim and use anti-vibe on it. Make sure its parallel on both sides. Another method is I saw someone make some 5mm discs and glue/attach them to the pistons, making them essentially hollow cylinders. I woulnd't attach them permanently, since if you ever needed to rebuild the calipers, getting those pistons out would then be much harder, maybe not possible.

[batboyvaj]

I'll stick to the 23 mm rotor. It will still work well I assume.

[BrakeExpert]

Sure you can use the GS rotor if you redrill it to 4x100 and the 23mm rotor I think would be plenty. If you need either redrilled, PM me.