My H22 swap into EF using Hasport mounts

[Freeltec]

This doesent seem to be going the way I wanted. I think you guys at hasport should do something to show good faith for screwing us early guys on your kit. I dont think running and changing your instructions qualifies as good customer service.

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[Freeltec]

edit.


Modified by Freeltec at 1:56 PM 7/1/2006

[Freeltec]

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1523103

[djnikko]

Oh dear! I hadnt budgeted for this either?

So is there actually no hood solution? I think im gonna have to knock up a F/G one and put a bulge in it. Not exactly subtle tho

[brian g]

Originally Posted by alphajesse

I was expecting #2 to be the type of kit I was getting. (With stock manifold but a super-massaged firewall.)

Super massaged(?) more like cut and moved. We decided against this idea since it looked like it would mean removing the heater core.

Originally Posted by alphajesse

I was making these calls and emails back in January, Feburary and early March. Most of my emails went unanswered, and the 4 or 5 calls I made the person I spoke to didn't know, the test car wasn't there to check, and near the end I was getting "I don't know if that hood is required."

We're the emails to sales@hasport.com?

Originally Posted by alphajesse

That would be awesome.

They'll develope a price for the parts. We'll probably do the same for the alternator relocation kit too.

Originally Posted by alphajesse

Mine came from VIS, it was hard to find anyplace that had these available for the US front end without a month or two wait, meanwhile my stock hood was trying to rub a hole through my valve cover. When I was asking your guys about the hood I couldn't even get info on where yours came from so I went with VIS when I happened to call on the day that a bunch of hoods came in to get delivery immediately.

Ours came from Fiber Images, and is what the H and K-series kits are based on. There is also a local shop that makes them, I will have to check to see how theirs fits and what the price is.

Originally Posted by alphajesse

Since a swap like this requires many compromises, I would have preferred to have the information on what decisions you guys had made regarding those compromises before I placed my order. Since that information was unavailable, I had assumed that the kit made the 'usual' decisions that people come to when putting an H in an EF.

The only precedent to our bolt-in EFH kit was the Place Racing weld-in kit. We hardley felt the same strategy for the EG, DC and EK mount kits was adequate or we would have made the kit years ago. The decisions we made were the same ones made for our EF K-series kit, so were the "usual" ones in our mind.

Originally Posted by djnikko

Oh dear! I hadnt budgeted for this either?

So is there actually no hood solution? I think im gonna have to knock up a F/G one and put a bulge in it. Not exactly subtle tho

The Fiber Images hood fits, and we'll check on others.

brian g

[djnikko]

Can you please provide a link to the Fiber Images Hood?

Will any CF SiR hood fit?

I am from the UK so would prefer to source one nationally rather than internationally.

[Freeltec]

Originally Posted by brian g

The Fiber Images hood fits, and we'll check on others.

brian g

Thats the LEAST you could do.

[brian g]

Originally Posted by djnikko

Can you please provide a link to the Fiber Images Hood?

http://www.fiberimages.com The site is down at this time. I just talked to them and their website is being updated and will return soon.

Originally Posted by djnikko

Will any CF SiR hood fit?

The true SiR hood is a little long for the CRX and Civic HB and requires more than just a hood to fit. In the US, there are several companies that make SiR look-a-like hoods for the standard CRX and Civic HB. The only one we have tried is the Fiber Images hood.

brian g

[Freeltec]

I would reccoment that you guys research on the cheapest hoods availble that will clear. Also if you guys could organise a group buy or supply them at cost to your early users.

[brian g]

Originally Posted by Freeltec

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1523103

It's unfortunate someone posted that becuase it's not correct. If you read the article in the September 2005 issue of Sport Compact Car titled "megamotor minimalmullah" it says, "Despite all this clever engineering, the stock hood was too low to clear everything comfortably. Fiber Images had an ideal solution; a replica of a JDM SiR hood, except for its length, which was curtailed to fit the slightly stubbier front end of USDM models."

There was another article in the same issue further detailing the engine swap and this information was not included. It was supplied though and in the pre edited version of the story. But there is no mention of using a stock hood.

brian g

[Freeltec]

Edit: Hasport has completely rectified my Situation.



Modified by Freeltec at 1:56 PM 7/1/2006

[alphajesse]

Originally Posted by brian g

We're the emails to sales@hasport.com?

Some were, yes.

[2lude4u]

Originally Posted by Freeltec

JUST GO WITH THE EXPLICITSPEED KIT, I WISH I HAD. It clears the hood and is cheaper, not to mention it fits using the stock hood and he wont leave you hanging. When you add up the savings from cheaper mounts, and not having to buy a $500+ hood its a much better deal.

I have spent $2000 CAD on Hasport Products for this swap and it makes me absolutelty sick how Hasport has treated me regarding customer service. I have given Haport plenty time to make some effort to rectify this. They have done NOTHING besides fixing their instustions to cover their ass and try to prove that they are in the right.

BUYER BEWARE!

I really didnt want to resort to post like this, but if i can help by swaying other customers from buying this kit or being mislead by hasport then I shall. I also invite anyone to send me a Pm regarding the kit or service.

I've been trying to be objective & nonjudgemental in this post since I simply started it to be an informative post about this swap since there has been so little info posted on H-T & because the Hasport Instructions were so vague & did not represent everything actually involved & needed.

At this moment though I'm feeling really jaded & growing tired of my crooked hood, & the ever enlarging silver spot wearing its way into my valve cover that will eventually work it's way through.

I'm really surprised by Hasports lack of action in not doing much to help us early users of this kit. I did get the fixed alternator bracket though, probably wouldn't have if I didn't ask for it. So I guess I better ask for what I want to see happen now. Most companies that sell a product that has faults or requires additional items to work properly that were not originally included or disclosed will then supply their customers with those items, ie you would supply us with mounts that mount the engine below the hood or send us a hood that works with your current design.

I had been looking forward to the H22 CRX on Pinks episode all season because of my plans for this swap. We all know, or most of us know the story behind the episode (a mild NA H22 CRX can't compete with a super-light built & boosted bug on nitrous, so how about a boosted b series) during which I gained respect for you Brian, you seemed like a cool respectable guy. Sorry to say it but, all of that is now lost.

EDIT: I guess I should clarify that the only viable opion for me & probably individuals that have already put the motors in their cars is a hood, since swapping out mounts would be labor intensive.


Modified by 2lude4u at 7:37 AM 6/15/2006

[Wayne_Curr]

Thats all fine and dandy but have you been driving the car and if so how does it perform?

[2lude4u]

Originally Posted by 2lude4u

The car is a rocket though. The fact that it is around 2000 lbs. & I have a somewhat built NA H23vtec makes it one very responsive Hatch. If I just tap on the throttle it jumps forward.

[Freeltec]

Still waiting for Hasport to Rectify our situation.

[keithg]

If anyone on Honda-tech would like to speak to the owner of Hasport all you have to do is call and ask to speak to the owner. I am happy to speak to anyone who asks for me. If for some reason I am not there (my main job is go-fer) leave your name and number and I will call you back. I will be out of town tomorrow (Friday) but I will be in Monday thru Wednesday next week and Monday and Wednesday thru Friday the week after. We are closed Tuesday July 4th.
Keith Gillespie, owner
Hasport Performance, Inc.

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Modified by keithg at 6:08 AM 6/16/2006

[2lude4u]

I've been waiting for you to contact me. I've made it clear to a few of your employees during my last few calls, & my e-mail, that I was not happy with the hood situation (while mentioning the other issues) & they said it would be passed onto you & Brian in your meetings, at which point I expected to receive a call from you since you do have my contact info. Anyways, Brian & Freeltec are working things out so I'll just wait & see.

[Diyracing2]

car running yet?

[2lude4u]

Oh yeah. It's quick.

I have a rough street tune on it for now, until I have the $ to dyno tune it. I plan on taking it to the drag strip on the 23rd to see how fast it does the 1/4 mile.

[Freeltec]

Im gonna call keith on monday, I have been real busy this week

[ExplicitSpeed360]

my guess is high 13's first time out street tires? @ 102 or around there do I get a cookie if I am right?

[2lude4u]

High 13's?!!? my prelude was a mid 13's car with less NA hp. This is much lighter & has more torque. I'm expecting mid 12's, but we'll see.

[2point2]

I hit 13.7 with a 2.4 60ft. (do the math ) I/E and a hack-job header in full street trim with WW body kit. as well as a rather impressive list of other excuses..

[ExplicitSpeed360]

Sounds right, stock went 14.0 @102 mph 2.2. I had a 2" small exhaust on it. with just intake. bolt ons and with tuning hit consistant 106 mph times, but still bogged bad off the line, turned out to be the p13 ebayspoon ecu...