Vid of EVO wrecking in to NSX and G35 coupe from the weekend

[Mark sans]

Originally Posted by VSM EXtasy The instructor drills this in to you, never try to get back on track when your wheels fall off, always go straight off. Pulling the car back on track was a bad judgement. When you have no traction and suddenly grip, you'll spin out and hurt people. I don't think that's what happened. This was obviously a novice session (hence the horrible steering technique and bad lines from the camera car), so there is certainly a level of inexperience from teh drivers. But, what I saw was a car that dropped two under braking. When that happens, one side grabs and pulls you back onto track. The driver's inputs would be less important than fisiks. The correction isn't as easy as "drive it off" b/c you're going to the side b/f you realize there was a problem. The guy is likely guilty of driving too fast of a car for a novice, but otherwise, I don't fault him nearly as much as I do the track for letting the cars sit out there in staging like that. Sure, it is an unlikely accident, but hardly unforeseeable. As for grabbing the wheel -- some instructors do that. I don't disagree with the person doing that in that novice of a group in that serious of a situation.

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[94accordsedan]

Some things need to be clarified...

This was an HPDE, not a race and you go into one knowing shit could happen. If you can't accept that then don't go to the track.

Next, the instructor grabbed the wheel to get the driver off the racing surface. Considering they are instructing you they would know what to do better given what was happening ahead.

Third, that was pit out and yes the cars were parked too far out given how close it was to the track.

Lastly, you'd be the world's largest idiot to sue given what happened. Don't take your car to the track if you can't accept the fact that any given time it could get totalled.

[nota-eg]

Originally Posted by 94accordsedan

Some things need to be clarified...

This was an HPDE, not a race and you go into one knowing shit could happen. If you can't accept that then don't go to the track.

Next, the instructor grabbed the wheel to get the driver off the racing surface. Considering they are instructing you they would know what to do better given what was happening ahead.

Third, that was pit out and yes the cars were parked too far out given how close it was to the track.

Lastly, you'd be the world's largest idiot to sue given what happened. Don't take your car to the track if you can't accept the fact that any given time it could get totalled.

What does HPDE stand for?

I agree with everything you've said, especially the last part.

[ucb]

High performance driving event

[nota-eg]

Originally Posted by UCBSTI

High performance driving event

Thank you sir. I wonder if Andy and his 65 crank HP Aspire were in a HPDE.

[Racer-X]

Originally Posted by nota-eg

Do a lot of you guys run the EMRA events?

Anyone going to be at Beaver Run the first week in June?

I'm running Deal's Gap/Dragon's Tail this coming holiday!

Gotta see how my R32 holds up in the mtns.(.compared to my old ITR's)

[ROOROWNS]

I wish i could hear some dialouge betweeen the instructor and the driver when she grabs the wheel. the goddamn music kicks in right then.
Thats a Damn good reason to have a dedicated track car

[ucb]

Originally Posted by .No_Honda.

Thats a Damn good reason not to be a brainless moron and park your car so close to the damn track

[Knightsport]

Originally Posted by Fenrir51

Sorry forgot.


Please Do Not Post...
any video clips regarding the accident between the EVO, NSX and G35 at POcono Raceway 05/06/06

The NSX is my Cousins and the G35 is my friends

any materials may hamper their lawsuit. Thank you for your support

Thats what the guy posted. Apparently they are trying to commet insurance fraud or something like that.


Edit:

The mods locked the thread too hah! I guess they want them to get away with their insurance fraud.

I'd report those assholes.

It's people like that who make my insurance rates go up.

[Danza]

I wonder if the track will have issues with their insurance coverage due to thier neglect to have proper safety precautions (with respect to having parked cars out of the racing area)

EDIT: I realize you sign a waiver when you participate. But I wonder how that waver holds up if a court decides the procedures followed by the track showed neglect and lack of caution? Anyone?

Seems to me like they would have a better chance against the track than the evo driver

[that guy steveee]

Ha! ****ing idiots. I hope the people who orchestrated that event learned a lesson. Who the shit stages cars about 10 feet away from the entry, apex, and exit of a corner? They should be sueing the people in charge, not the Evo owner.

[ucb]

Originally Posted by Knightsport

I'd report those assholes.

It's people like that who make my insurance rates go up.

werd. Send the video to the local news/police

[Knightsport]

HPDE roughly translated stands for n00b with more car than he can handle.

[Fenrir51]

I would report them too but thats the MR2 club for you. The smart people told him to suck it up and deal with it, the idiots posted what is said below.


1just let it die guys.

a board members family member and friend just got into an accident and he was just looking out for there best intrest. lets try to hold back on the "GOT TO SEE PIC/VID" type remarks.

thanxs evryone


2I'm going to have to second this.....

3With all due respect...this case is closed.

[ROOROWNS]

Originally Posted by Knightsport

HPDE roughly translated stands for n00b with more car than he can handle.

Sounds about right

[T I F O S I]

That is entirely the tracks fault.

And HPDE's are for anyone that wants to learn to drive better, I am sure none of you here are proffesional race driver's so go take your ass to an HPDE

[Knightsport]

That's what they said?

I bet the case isn't closed once the story gets air time on the evening news. That is seriously BS.

All three are at fault and all three should have to pay for their OWN idiocy.

[Racer-X]

Originally Posted by Knightsport

HPDE roughly translated stands for n00b with more car than he can handle.

Thats why you go to SCCA sanction events...or track days.

If your a newb keep away from me on the track.

I use to corner work for free track time!!!(hell yeah!)

When we had our corner worker's track session...everyone was like WOow!...mostly because we were hauling ass around the track and just allowing (alittle more then) racing room.

[ucb]

Originally Posted by Fenrir51

I would report them too but thats the MR2 club for you. The smart people told him to suck it up and deal with it, the idiots posted what is said below.


1just let it die guys.

a board members family member and friend just got into an accident and he was just looking out for there best intrest. lets try to hold back on the "GOT TO SEE PIC/VID" type remarks.

thanxs evryone


2I'm going to have to second this.....

3With all due respect...this case is closed.

well, good thing its already on HT, a much LARGER board, so it will get a ton of exposure now, lol

[K.F14]

Originally Posted by UCBSTI

well, good thing its already on HT, a much LARGER board, so it will get a ton of exposure now, lol

werd

[ROOROWNS]

Originally Posted by UCBSTI

well, good thing its already on HT, a much LARGER board, so it will get a ton of exposure now, lol

O noes H-T please keep a secret

[Knightsport]

Originally Posted by The Secks

That is entirely the tracks fault.

And HPDE's are for anyone that wants to learn to drive better, I am sure none of you here are proffesional race driver's so go take your ass to an HPDE

Some of us are just naturals.

[BB6Driver]

shit.. I wanna see this vid. Stupid work blocks streetfire

anyone have it hosted somewhere else? vidilife?

[T I F O S I]

You mean natural C-cups or drivers??

[Knightsport]

Originally Posted by Racer-X

Thats why you go to SCCA sanction events...or track days.

If your a newb keep away from me on the track.

I use to corner work for free track time!!!(hell yeah!)

When we had our corner worker's track session...everyone was like WOow!...mostly because we were hauling ass around the track and just allowing (alittle more then) racing room.

The ONLY track day I'd attend with amatuers is the Supra track event during the Texas meet. You run staggered one at a time to beat the clock and there are NO CARS SITTING NEXT TO THE DAMN TRACK!

AFAIAC, the NSX and G35 are at fault too. BNo WAY would I park my baby that close to harms way.