The CRX and Crash Safety - Question and Answer Thread - Experience Welcome
03-21-2006, 06:45 AM
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The CRX and Crash Safety - Question and Answer Thread - Experience Welcome
Love my CRX, but I would like to know some real world numbers regarding safety.
I have not been able to locate crash test ratings for our EFs.
I have heard that the car does a good job of sacrificing itself to protect the occupants.
I know that some HF models do not have side impact beams in the doors, are they helpful?
I know the 89-91 has the seatbelts mounted into the door. What happens if your door gets pulled off in an accident (saw it happen in front of me on NJ Turnpike, not an EF though)?
Does a rollcage add significant safety value?
Anyone wrecked their CRX and have pics/end notes/situational description? Experience Welcome.
p3
*edit*
Threads here for ease of access
CRX Crash Test Rating!!!
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1398981
Honda CRX: Significantly worse than average crash test rating
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1887669
Horrible Fatal CRX Accident - Local PA Newspaper w/ pics - DRIVE SAFE!
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1915401
CRX crash safety?
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1939746
Another one
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-crx-ef-civic-1988-1991-3/jorshers-ls-vtec-crx-videos-too-2773873/
Updated 1010.05
Modified by phoenix_iii at 9:32 AM 8/27/2008
Modified by phoenix_iii at 9:33 AM 8/27/2008
I have not been able to locate crash test ratings for our EFs.
I have heard that the car does a good job of sacrificing itself to protect the occupants.
I know that some HF models do not have side impact beams in the doors, are they helpful?
I know the 89-91 has the seatbelts mounted into the door. What happens if your door gets pulled off in an accident (saw it happen in front of me on NJ Turnpike, not an EF though)?
Does a rollcage add significant safety value?
Anyone wrecked their CRX and have pics/end notes/situational description? Experience Welcome.
p3
*edit*
Threads here for ease of access
CRX Crash Test Rating!!!
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1398981
Honda CRX: Significantly worse than average crash test rating
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1887669
Horrible Fatal CRX Accident - Local PA Newspaper w/ pics - DRIVE SAFE!
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1915401
CRX crash safety?
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1939746
Another one
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-crx-ef-civic-1988-1991-3/jorshers-ls-vtec-crx-videos-too-2773873/
Updated 1010.05
Modified by phoenix_iii at 9:32 AM 8/27/2008
Modified by phoenix_iii at 9:33 AM 8/27/2008
Last edited by phoenix_iii; 10-05-2010 at 04:47 PM.
03-21-2006, 06:52 AM
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Re: The CRX and Crash Safety - Question and Answer Thread - Experience Welcome (phoenix_iii)
I am only going to address one point you are asking for and that is on the roll cage. A roll cage will only add safety in connection with a helmet, harness and padding. Without any of that a roll cage is going to be deterimental to the health of anyone in the vehicle.
My buddy flipped his 90 hatch, crushed the roof flat at the back and it was touching the headrests. He walked away with no scratches. Crash safety is very subjective each accident is different.
My buddy flipped his 90 hatch, crushed the roof flat at the back and it was touching the headrests. He walked away with no scratches. Crash safety is very subjective each accident is different.
03-21-2006, 06:56 AM
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Re: The CRX and Crash Safety - Question and Answer Thread - Experience Welcome (phoenix_iii)
The NHTSA has a rating on the 1991 Civic, which is as close as you are going to get.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/Cars/1158.html
3 star for the driver, 4 star for the passenger. Side impact was not tested. Old cars like this don't fair well in side impact tests because they were built before the era of side impact door beams and side airbags.
The other thing you have to keep in mind is that the best cars of 15-20 years ago are going to do very poorly as compared to anything more modern. Safety is relative....the new cars are much safer than older models.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/Cars/1158.html
3 star for the driver, 4 star for the passenger. Side impact was not tested. Old cars like this don't fair well in side impact tests because they were built before the era of side impact door beams and side airbags.
The other thing you have to keep in mind is that the best cars of 15-20 years ago are going to do very poorly as compared to anything more modern. Safety is relative....the new cars are much safer than older models.
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These cars fair well in side impacts. Each door has a huge metal beam going accross the door to prevent the door from folding and opening up.
Alot of guys here have crashed an EF, and they walked away no problem. I had a small front end accident and I wasn't wearing my belt, I was doing 30 he was doing 60 and my front end crumpled like an accordion, but I hardly felt a jolt. These cars fair VERY well for being so small and minimal in safety (no airbags, big open windows and hardly a body to crumple).
But since I don't plan on crashing a EF, I don't plan on finding out how well it can fair.
Alot of guys here have crashed an EF, and they walked away no problem. I had a small front end accident and I wasn't wearing my belt, I was doing 30 he was doing 60 and my front end crumpled like an accordion, but I hardly felt a jolt. These cars fair VERY well for being so small and minimal in safety (no airbags, big open windows and hardly a body to crumple).
But since I don't plan on crashing a EF, I don't plan on finding out how well it can fair.
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Re: The CRX and Crash Safety - Question and Answer Thread - Experience Welcome
i flipped my crx...you should be fine...why are you so concerned...
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03-21-2006, 07:36 AM
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I'm 'concerned' because I like living and would like to know how the CRX fairs, and if additional supports/safety items are worth adding. 
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I've wondered about this as well. I drive a hatch but I am still a bit worried about its size compared to most of the other vehicles on the road.
That and my horn doesn't work so I am always scared of some soccer mom talking on the phone and not noticing she's cutting me off (it's happened to me more times than I can count).
I guess I should fix my horn...
I worry a bit because, eventhough I am a very defensive driver, there are a ton of bad drivers out there that just dont' pay attention. I worry that one of those idiots is going to hit me in my little civic.
Is there anything we can do to help make these cars safer on the streets without adding a cage or roll bar? I'd like to keep my back seats and interior because it's my daily driver.
That and my horn doesn't work so I am always scared of some soccer mom talking on the phone and not noticing she's cutting me off (it's happened to me more times than I can count).
I guess I should fix my horn...
I worry a bit because, eventhough I am a very defensive driver, there are a ton of bad drivers out there that just dont' pay attention. I worry that one of those idiots is going to hit me in my little civic.
Is there anything we can do to help make these cars safer on the streets without adding a cage or roll bar? I'd like to keep my back seats and interior because it's my daily driver.
03-21-2006, 08:25 AM
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EJ... jebus, FIX YOUR HORN! Do a writeup too, maybe 'upgrade' the horn... That's very important re: safety!
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That's very important re: safety!p3
03-21-2006, 08:35 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phoenix_iii »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">EJ... jebus, FIX YOUR HORN! Do a writeup too, maybe 'upgrade' the horn... That's very important re: safety!
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No doubt. I really need to, maybe I'll do it today. I just keep putting it off because I have so many other projects I'm working on. I'll do it today though, I know it shouldn't take more than a few minutes, I just need to get around to doing it.
That's very important re: safety!p3</TD></TR></TABLE>
No doubt. I really need to, maybe I'll do it today. I just keep putting it off because I have so many other projects I'm working on. I'll do it today though, I know it shouldn't take more than a few minutes, I just need to get around to doing it.
03-21-2006, 11:30 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jesterian »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just make your car quick and nimble so you can avoid other cars </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah. And buy a Volvo if you are scared of the safety. I always say that dont get into crashes.
Yeah. And buy a Volvo if you are scared of the safety. I always say that dont get into crashes.
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Yeah. And buy a Volvo if you are scared of the safety. I always say that dont get into crashes.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Volvos take take hits like a main battle tank
Yeah. And buy a Volvo if you are scared of the safety. I always say that dont get into crashes.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Volvos take take hits like a main battle tank
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Re: The CRX and Crash Safety - Question and Answer Thread - Experience Welcome (phoenix_iii)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phoenix_iii »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know that some HF models do not have side impact beams in the doors, are they helpful?
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Is this true, or do 89+ have the side impact beams?
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Is this true, or do 89+ have the side impact beams?
03-22-2006, 05:19 AM
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Re: The CRX and Crash Safety - Question and Answer Thread - Experience Welcome (maharg)
Read the thread
One user posted that the 88s do not have door beams (I assume all series HF DX SI), and that's one reason why they are lighter (I believe I read this elsewhere as well).
Check one of the differences charts and it has it in there. The beams weigh 35lbs each, in the doors, IIRC.
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90/91 all have Side Impact Door Beams.
One user posted that the 88s do not have door beams (I assume all series HF DX SI), and that's one reason why they are lighter (I believe I read this elsewhere as well).
Check one of the differences charts and it has it in there. The beams weigh 35lbs each, in the doors, IIRC.
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90/91 all have Side Impact Door Beams.
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03-23-2006, 05:10 AM
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Re: The CRX and Crash Safety - Question and Answer Thread - Experience Welcome (phoenix_iii)
Pics and Accident Descriptions (Speeds/Conditions, etc) very welcome!
03-23-2006, 05:13 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phoenix_iii »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">H1 is the toughest road vehicle I know of. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Nope
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THIS IS
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03-23-2006, 05:33 AM
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I <3 this thing. O_o
I <3 this thing. O_o
03-23-2006, 05:51 AM
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I don't think the H2 is tougher than the H1... it mgiht be 'safer' with the airbags though...
Got me with the International CTX though, never saw one before. Still regular drivers license for it I presume, if people can get away driving those Uhaul trucks with one.
Got me with the International CTX though, never saw one before. Still regular drivers license for it I presume, if people can get away driving those Uhaul trucks with one.
03-23-2006, 06:13 AM
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Re: The CRX and Crash Safety - Question and Answer Thread - Experience Welcome (phoenix_iii)
I'm glad to hear that my little CRX is safe. I've considered it a death trap since I bought it. I went from a Camaro to a teeny tiny CRX. Crashed my Camaro by going off a cliff. Fell about 2 1/2 stories around 60 mph, maybe a little less. Landed on the passenger side and rolled onto the roof. I figure the only two things that saved my life were my seatbelt and the brute strength of the car. The front end took a hard hit. I guess the CRX works the opposite by crumple zones absorbing the impact. Someone tell me how to post pictures, I'll put up my Camaro.
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If you want high safety, buy a brand new Civic Si. Get out of the old *** Hondas. They are cheap, lightweight commuter cars. They have little to no safety. No airbags, light thin seatbelts. The car itself is it's on airbag, it will crumple like crazy around you in a hard crash. I've seen pictures of a guy who got hit 100kmh sideways and he got out ok, if there would of been a passenger he might of been hurt, the CRX was ruined tho. Let's see if I got a pic.