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Will_ChinLee · 12-18-2005, 09:42 PM

I'll be honest, i've been debating whether or not SC my car... and after finally going for a ride in my friends Comptech w/ aftercooler ... i've decided that the SC is a major let down. Coming from cars like an MKIV Supra, FC RX-7 TII, i thought the SC would feel faster... I really don't like the boost only in Vtec... esp. since the AP2 only had about 2000 rpms of play... and the clutch delay did ruin the experience. I'm going to try and get a ride in my other friends AP1 w/ 302rwhp Comptech /w 4.56s. Hopefully i'll be more impressed. If anyone is considering the SC and had previously owned a Turbo car... please get a ride first, becuase if you were like me, you will be let down... It looks like turbo might be the way for me...

cliffnotes..
rode in SC Ap2 and was let down due to the fact i've own other boost'ed cars.

and for all the haters...

these are just the thought of me... i could care less about your car or your friends...

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Francesco · 12-18-2005, 09:50 PM

yeah its not what most expect...the power just isnt there untill 9k...its a nice mod though

fknfast · 12-18-2005, 10:32 PM

its a focking 4 banger DUDE! it was not put on this world to be a dyno queen like your other cars. A SC'd s2k with an outta the box Comptech kit is 300hp, what are you smoking? what more do you want ?

I have chased down and beat several stock turbo supras and rx7s in a SC s2k. your dude must drive like a puss.

BoostLE · 12-18-2005, 11:56 PM

He wants more area under the torque curve, which isn't gonna happen.

revvin9k · 12-18-2005, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fknfast

its a focking 4 banger DUDE! it was not put on this world to be a dyno queen like your other cars. A SC'd s2k with an outta the box Comptech kit is 300hp, what are you smoking? what more do you want ?

I have chased down and beat several stock turbo supras and rx7s in a SC s2k. your dude must drive like a puss.

Well said.

js2k01 · 12-19-2005, 01:57 AM

have one of you guys ever changed your final gear, if what was the difference?

papa5murf · 12-19-2005, 05:36 AM

the problem with the superchargers availible for our cars is that they are centrifugal.... the good thing about that is that it's utilizes an aftercooler or in some cases an intercooler to chill the air charge..... however.. you don't hit full boost till redline.... and the power curve is very linear similar to an NA car.....

you're coming from cars that have turbo chargers.... where when boost kicks in you feel the jerk and you take off.... so of course the feel of the supercharged S would feel slow cause you don't get that jerking feeling when you stomp on it....however.... the car only weighs 2800lbs or so...... with 300rwhp... you can easily take out most of the cars out there... and if you happen to truely modify it and hit the 400rwhp mark with the supercharger you can pretty much beat anything on the streets.....

but if you like the head jerking feeling that you get from cars with massive torque.. then turbo is the way to go on the S....

Francesco · 12-19-2005, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by js2k01

have one of you guys ever changed your final gear, if what was the difference?

i never did a final gear change, but i did look into it...its a very good mod for the money...

i want to get the new 4.56's

fknfast · 12-19-2005, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papa5murf

the problem with the superchargers availible for our cars is that they are centrifugal.... the good thing about that is that it's utilizes an aftercooler or in some cases an intercooler to chill the air charge..... however.. you don't hit full boost till redline.... and the power curve is very linear similar to an NA car.....

you're coming from cars that have turbo chargers.... where when boost kicks in you feel the jerk and you take off.... so of course the feel of the supercharged S would feel slow cause you don't get that jerking feeling when you stomp on it....however.... the car only weighs 2800lbs or so...... with 300rwhp... you can easily take out most of the cars out there... and if you happen to truely modify it and hit the 400rwhp mark with the supercharger you can pretty much beat anything on the streets.....

but if you like the head jerking feeling that you get from cars with massive torque.. then turbo is the way to go on the S....

ive been in a few AP1s that slammed my head back when i hit vtec at 5000rpm and ripped til 9k.

Will_ChinLee · 12-19-2005, 12:17 PM

thank you.. i understand the dynamics of FI. I simply was let down from all the hype i've been reading about. Everyone on the damn internet forums, talks about SC'ing so much. I just don't see the big deal, at least yet.

dkim48 · 12-19-2005, 12:28 PM

just wondering if the car you rode in was tuned or not? I rode in a s/c car before it got tuned and it didn't feel any different from my stock s2k...of course while i was getting the ride I played it off like it was quick...the driver even knew it wasn't that fast. he said that after he got it tuned it was a night and day difference. I still haven't been able to get a ride in it since...so can't say if it is different or not. but that may be a reason on why you weren't happy

revhi · 12-19-2005, 07:35 PM

The powerband in the a s/c S is very smooth and decieving. My g/f has an S to and when she first drove mine, she didnt think it was that big of deal. I ran her from a roll and pulled 5 cars on her from 2nd to beggining of 4th. The powers there, I agree its lacking the torque so its a different feel to a turbo Supra or RX7.

Francesco · 12-19-2005, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revhi

The powerband in the a s/c S is very smooth and decieving. My g/f has an S to and when she first drove mine, she didnt think it was that big of deal. I ran her from a roll and pulled 5 cars on her from 2nd to beggining of 4th. The powers there, I agree its lacking the torque so its a different feel to a turbo Supra or RX7.

your car pulls hard.

but like all will agree, the torque plays a big factor...

boostdd · 12-19-2005, 08:16 PM

yea i can see where the thread starter is comming from, my S is sc'd. Before my S i owned a ls/vtec 2.0L turbo integra pushing 300whp and 245tq. Now compared to how my S feels compared to my integra, big difference. Even though its similiar hp #'s, the power deliever was very different. But the S with a SC kit is still fairly nice, just not as nice a turbo. At least its smog legal

-NA-aLL-thE-wAy- · 12-20-2005, 09:12 AM

I don't think I could be disappointed from a 300rwhp bolt on kit in a 2800lb car.

boostdd · 12-20-2005, 01:45 PM

well u gotta see the power under the curve

SiBirdie · 12-20-2005, 07:07 PM

I still think a S/C S2k is a good investment, like everyone say the power band is just like NA. With some rick's 4.56 gears in the Ap2 s/c that shit will rip! I tell you that right now.

Tell your buddy to get a good clutch and take the clutch delay out and do get some gears!

OH yeah if you want torque, wait until the BRP Root blower comes out on the S2k. Then my friend you'll feel the jerk neck snapping.

04RioS2k · 12-20-2005, 08:41 PM

^^^that is my setup for this Christmas....I have already got the comptech s/c and 4.56 gears ready for install this christmas...I'll chime back with my feedback when I'm done breaking the gears in....

SiBirdie · 12-20-2005, 09:54 PM

NIce! that is a really simple set up but yet I feel it will be effective. There a video on streetfire.net where a S2k + I/h/E + 4.56 gear vs a SRT + lots of bolts on. They ran on the fwy and the SRT couldn't shake him until 90-100mph. I think that's pertty damn good.

here the video of it.

Click to see Video

91jdmhatchback · 12-20-2005, 10:14 PM

I have to say that i thought the sc would be dumb and pointless on the S, liking the idea of itb's. but I drove my buddies S with the comptech/aftercooled with the veilside exhaust. Mybe it was the deafening exhaust and the sound of the sc but it felt alot faster than my stock ap1. in vtec my head was thown back so it was better than expected.I also has a stage 3 exedy clutch.

silentdancer · 12-20-2005, 10:36 PM

hey, did you ride in the white supercharged ap2 at the fusion thing on sunday? you came late right? in the belina with carbon fiber hardtop? well if that was you, i was in the all stock nfr. did the guy say if it was tuned or not?

Mocky57 · 12-21-2005, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francesco

your car pulls hard.

but like all will agree, the torque plays a big factor...

i agree.... his car would pull harder if he'd scrap those le37's and give them to me

radio1global · 12-21-2005, 08:14 AM

I guess people still dont get it.. If you want a super fast drag car just get a hatch build the motor for boost there you go. I have a friend making 300whp with the vortech kit, its not a beast but its definatly not slow. And as for tourque, get over the fact that its a honda and the rod stroke ratio on our motors will always be set up for highreving making it hard to make crazy tq numbers.

fknfast · 12-23-2005, 12:52 AM

amen

Jet. · 12-23-2005, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiBirdie

NIce! that is a really simple set up but yet I feel it will be effective. There a video on streetfire.net where a S2k + I/h/E + 4.56 gear vs a SRT + lots of bolts on. They ran on the fwy and the SRT couldn't shake him until 90-100mph. I think that's pertty damn good.

here the video of it.

Click to see Video

is this the same guy that had the video vs a g35? the car sounds exactly alike and same color too but with more upgrades now....

12-18-2005, 09:50 PM	#2
Francesco Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: never never land Posts: 6,022	Re: Finally got a ride in a SC'ed Ap2... (Will_ChinLee) yeah its not what most expect...the power just isnt there untill 9k...its a nice mod though __________________ - 05 Amuse s2000. Facebook!

12-18-2005, 10:32 PM	#3
fknfast Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ohio, usa Posts: 1,979	Re: Finally got a ride in a SC'ed Ap2... (Francesco) its a focking 4 banger DUDE! it was not put on this world to be a dyno queen like your other cars. A SC'd s2k with an outta the box Comptech kit is 300hp, what are you smoking? what more do you want ? I have chased down and beat several stock turbo supras and rx7s in a SC s2k. your dude must drive like a puss. __________________ 98- Hatchback- Race Car 01- S2000-toy 08- Acura RDX-daily 07- Tahoe LTZ- weekend hoe taxi

12-19-2005, 01:57 AM	#6
js2k01 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: los angeles, ca, us Posts: 211	Re: Finally got a ride in a SC'ed Ap2... (Will_ChinLee) have one of you guys ever changed your final gear, if what was the difference? __________________ S 2 K

12-19-2005, 05:36 AM	#7
papa5murf Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 9,128	Re: Finally got a ride in a SC'ed Ap2... (js2k01) the problem with the superchargers availible for our cars is that they are centrifugal.... the good thing about that is that it's utilizes an aftercooler or in some cases an intercooler to chill the air charge..... however.. you don't hit full boost till redline.... and the power curve is very linear similar to an NA car..... you're coming from cars that have turbo chargers.... where when boost kicks in you feel the jerk and you take off.... so of course the feel of the supercharged S would feel slow cause you don't get that jerking feeling when you stomp on it....however.... the car only weighs 2800lbs or so...... with 300rwhp... you can easily take out most of the cars out there... and if you happen to truely modify it and hit the 400rwhp mark with the supercharger you can pretty much beat anything on the streets..... but if you like the head jerking feeling that you get from cars with massive torque.. then turbo is the way to go on the S....

12-19-2005, 12:28 PM	#11
dkim48 Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Torrance 310, California, USA Posts: 9,052	Re: (Will_ChinLee) just wondering if the car you rode in was tuned or not? I rode in a s/c car before it got tuned and it didn't feel any different from my stock s2k...of course while i was getting the ride I played it off like it was quick...the driver even knew it wasn't that fast. he said that after he got it tuned it was a night and day difference. I still haven't been able to get a ride in it since...so can't say if it is different or not. but that may be a reason on why you weren't happy __________________ TW: MUGEN NR-10's 13" New Tires

12-18-2005, 11:56 PM	#4
BoostLE Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: OC, CA, Vietnam Posts: 52	He wants more area under the torque curve, which isn't gonna happen.

12-19-2005, 12:17 PM	#10
Will_ChinLee Banne*d Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Diego, CA, USA Posts: 685	thank you.. i understand the dynamics of FI. I simply was let down from all the hype i've been reading about. Everyone on the damn internet forums, talks about SC'ing so much. I just don't see the big deal, at least yet.

12-19-2005, 07:35 PM	#12
revhi Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 1,498	The powerband in the a s/c S is very smooth and decieving. My g/f has an S to and when she first drove mine, she didnt think it was that big of deal. I ran her from a roll and pulled 5 cars on her from 2nd to beggining of 4th. The powers there, I agree its lacking the torque so its a different feel to a turbo Supra or RX7. __________________ 05 GPW S2000, 7 psi

12-19-2005, 08:16 PM	#14
boostdd Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: SGV, CA, LA Posts: 335	yea i can see where the thread starter is comming from, my S is sc'd. Before my S i owned a ls/vtec 2.0L turbo integra pushing 300whp and 245tq. Now compared to how my S feels compared to my integra, big difference. Even though its similiar hp #'s, the power deliever was very different. But the S with a SC kit is still fairly nice, just not as nice a turbo. At least its smog legal __________________ Ls obdII ecu 4 sale http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=647916 96 Ls/vtec 2.0L turbo (sold) 03 s2k (new toy) s2ki SN= VADER

12-20-2005, 09:12 AM	#15
-NA-aLL-thE-wAy- EFSS153 2007 Acura RDX My Garage Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tornado Alley Posts: 14,163	Re: (boostdd) I don't think I could be disappointed from a 300rwhp bolt on kit in a 2800lb car. __________________ Part Out: 1991 Civic Wagon That's my King!

12-20-2005, 01:45 PM	#16
boostdd Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: SGV, CA, LA Posts: 335	well u gotta see the power under the curve __________________ Ls obdII ecu 4 sale http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=647916 96 Ls/vtec 2.0L turbo (sold) 03 s2k (new toy) s2ki SN= VADER

12-20-2005, 07:07 PM	#17
SiBirdie Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: San Grabiel Valley, South Cali, USA Posts: 1,121	Re: (boostdd) I still think a S/C S2k is a good investment, like everyone say the power band is just like NA. With some rick's 4.56 gears in the Ap2 s/c that shit will rip! I tell you that right now. Tell your buddy to get a good clutch and take the clutch delay out and do get some gears! OH yeah if you want torque, wait until the BRP Root blower comes out on the S2k. Then my friend you'll feel the jerk neck snapping.

12-20-2005, 08:41 PM	#18
04RioS2k Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, Texas, US Posts: 39	Re: (SiBirdie) ^^^that is my setup for this Christmas....I have already got the comptech s/c and 4.56 gears ready for install this christmas...I'll chime back with my feedback when I'm done breaking the gears in....

12-20-2005, 09:54 PM	#19
SiBirdie Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: San Grabiel Valley, South Cali, USA Posts: 1,121	Re: (04RioS2k) NIce! that is a really simple set up but yet I feel it will be effective. There a video on streetfire.net where a S2k + I/h/E + 4.56 gear vs a SRT + lots of bolts on. They ran on the fwy and the SRT couldn't shake him until 90-100mph. I think that's pertty damn good. here the video of it. Click to see Video

12-20-2005, 10:14 PM	#20
91jdmhatchback Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Fargo, ND, US Posts: 1,034	Re: (SiBirdie) I have to say that i thought the sc would be dumb and pointless on the S, liking the idea of itb's. but I drove my buddies S with the comptech/aftercooled with the veilside exhaust. Mybe it was the deafening exhaust and the sound of the sc but it felt alot faster than my stock ap1. in vtec my head was thown back so it was better than expected.I also has a stage 3 exedy clutch. __________________ cars: 91' crx dx - project RHD 91' civic lx - turbo winter beater

12-20-2005, 10:36 PM	#21
silentdancer Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: mofockin sd, SoCali Posts: 2,438	Re: (91jdmhatchback) hey, did you ride in the white supercharged ap2 at the fusion thing on sunday? you came late right? in the belina with carbon fiber hardtop? well if that was you, i was in the all stock nfr. did the guy say if it was tuned or not? __________________ Phaze2 FTMFW My S2000 For sale http://www.hondamarketplace.com/show....php?t=2537880

12-21-2005, 08:14 AM	#23
radio1global Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ann Arbor, MI, United States Posts: 352	I guess people still dont get it.. If you want a super fast drag car just get a hatch build the motor for boost there you go. I have a friend making 300whp with the vortech kit, its not a beast but its definatly not slow. And as for tourque, get over the fact that its a honda and the rod stroke ratio on our motors will always be set up for highreving making it hard to make crazy tq numbers.

12-23-2005, 12:52 AM	#24
fknfast Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ohio, usa Posts: 1,979	Re: (radio1global) amen __________________ 98- Hatchback- Race Car 01- S2000-toy 08- Acura RDX-daily 07- Tahoe LTZ- weekend hoe taxi

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