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piotrush · 12-08-2005, 10:02 PM

Ok so a few weeks ago I had my head redone with new oem valve seals and new intake valves since the stock ones were damaged from burning oil so long. The only thing that was done to the head for performance was a 3 angle valve job. Valve train is otherwise stock. The cylinder walls also looked good. I was told that there were no scratches. Motor is h22a4 with 95,000 miles w/o cat.

The car is smoking and spitting oil, and burns even more now than before. Last I measured I went through a quart of 10w40 in 300 miles. Prior to getting the valve job I had a copmression and leak down test done which showed no blow by and solid numebers. The PCV valve is also less than 10,000 miles old. What is odd is that from reading alot of threads most people mention smoking at high rpm in vtec under full throttle. I actually notice more smoke when I'm in 3rd gear @ 2500rpm under partial throttle. I also notice the most smoke when im taking off rom a light after getting off the highway or driving for a good distance - I leave a big blue puff!

I was told that even with good compression numbers and no blow by, my oil control rings could be gone causing me to burn oil yet show good compression. Could they be responsible for burning and smoking that much? Also is there any way that getting the valve seals done and fixing that proble could speed up the deterioration of the piston rings? What else could be behind this. Im very puzzled so I'm open to anything. Thanks.

Peter

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Jake_Sale · 12-08-2005, 11:14 PM

I also have just exactly the same thing to my prelude 1997 bb6 h22a jap import into nz
I havnt driven my car yet but am very worried now that i might have the same problem as you

agCrX · 12-09-2005, 01:10 AM

When you guys got your heads back and re-torqued them on properly

... you did adjust the valves right? THere are some really little rubber gaskets on the head too if they get squished/pinched/or if they bathed the head to clean it will have desintegrated, maby look at a pic of the head n' u can see. Besides that i dunno just a few guesses. GL

The_Sober · 12-09-2005, 08:01 AM

they either botched your valve seal installation, or your rings are bad. I highly doubt you've got enough of a CR to cause that much blow-by

98TypeSH · 12-09-2005, 09:06 AM

i agree. Botched valve seals or rings.

T3T4H22 · 12-09-2005, 11:35 AM

When they replaced the valves did the replace the valve guides? Not changing the valve guides after changing valves may cause misalginment and detroy the new seals you got.

piotrush · 12-09-2005, 10:11 PM

here is a link to the vid I took. It was taken after the car had been running for around ten minutes.

http://videos.streetfire.net/P...1A087

Shakes · 12-09-2005, 10:22 PM

i know a couple of things.

1 - your car smells like a burning oil field.
2 - the work done on the car is top notch, so my vote goes to rings. i know that PCV valve was fine, it was on my car and did nothing wrong.

piotrush · 12-10-2005, 02:01 PM

up

piotrush · 12-10-2005, 09:43 PM

up for the night crew

david1686 · 12-11-2005, 03:40 AM

I have the same exact oil burning problem. I have a 98 prelude.

pentaq · 12-11-2005, 01:18 PM

rings... looks terrible

M.A.R.C. · 01-31-2006, 08:38 AM

bump because i'm having the same problem. motor compression is fine. car was pretty much fine before headwork.

12-08-2005, 11:14 PM	#2
Jake_Sale Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 23	Re: car smokes/burns/spits oil after new valve job - bad rings? (piotrush) I also have just exactly the same thing to my prelude 1997 bb6 h22a jap import into nz I havnt driven my car yet but am very worried now that i might have the same problem as you

12-09-2005, 01:10 AM	#3
agCrX Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Orange County, NY, USA Posts: 117	Re: car smokes/burns/spits oil after new valve job - bad rings? (Jake_Sale) When you guys got your heads back and re-torqued them on properly ... you did adjust the valves right? THere are some really little rubber gaskets on the head too if they get squished/pinched/or if they bathed the head to clean it will have desintegrated, maby look at a pic of the head n' u can see. Besides that i dunno just a few guesses. GL

12-09-2005, 08:01 AM	#4
The_Sober Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Nobody fcuks with the Jesus... Posts: 1,196	Re: car smokes/burns/spits oil after new valve job - bad rings? (agCrX) they either botched your valve seal installation, or your rings are bad. I highly doubt you've got enough of a CR to cause that much blow-by __________________ Veni, vidi, volo in domum redire. Buy my 4x100 Team Dynamics 17"wheels here!

12-09-2005, 09:06 AM	#5
98TypeSH Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,876	Re: car smokes/burns/spits oil after new valve job - bad rings? (The_Sober) i agree. Botched valve seals or rings. __________________ 2006 Crystal Gray Metallic WRX <FONT COLOR="hotpink">TFC = Tittay Fallout Club</FONT>

12-09-2005, 11:35 AM	#6
T3T4H22 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 71	Re: car smokes/burns/spits oil after new valve job - bad rings? (piotrush) When they replaced the valves did the replace the valve guides? Not changing the valve guides after changing valves may cause misalginment and detroy the new seals you got.

12-09-2005, 10:11 PM	#7
piotrush Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 1,817	Re: car smokes/burns/spits oil after new valve job - bad rings? (piotrush) here is a link to the vid I took. It was taken after the car had been running for around ten minutes. http://videos.streetfire.net/P...1A087 __________________ Prelude SH parts FS: email: piotrush82@hotmail.com - Spoon strut bars F+R ($250)

12-09-2005, 10:22 PM	#8
Shakes Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Spec Shakesland Posts: 6,086	Re: car smokes/burns/spits oil after new valve job - bad rings? (piotrush) i know a couple of things. 1 - your car smells like a burning oil field. 2 - the work done on the car is top notch, so my vote goes to rings. i know that PCV valve was fine, it was on my car and did nothing wrong. __________________ -Doug SMOKE FREE SINCE 10-31-04 06 Aspen White STi \| 91 CRX HF

12-10-2005, 02:01 PM	#9
piotrush Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 1,817	Re: car smokes/burns/spits oil after new valve job - bad rings? (piotrush) up __________________ Prelude SH parts FS: email: piotrush82@hotmail.com - Spoon strut bars F+R ($250)

12-10-2005, 09:43 PM	#10
piotrush Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 1,817	Re: car smokes/burns/spits oil after new valve job - bad rings? (piotrush) up for the night crew __________________ Prelude SH parts FS: email: piotrush82@hotmail.com - Spoon strut bars F+R ($250)

12-11-2005, 03:40 AM	#11
david1686 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hialeah, Fl, USA Posts: 50	Re: car smokes/burns/spits oil after new valve job - bad rings? (piotrush) I have the same exact oil burning problem. I have a 98 prelude.

12-11-2005, 01:18 PM	#12
pentaq Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Szczecin, Poland Posts: 1,453	Re: car smokes/burns/spits oil after new valve job - bad rings? (david1686) rings... looks terrible __________________ Prelude 94 VTEC- parted out. Accord Wagon 94 H22 VTEC Turbo.

01-31-2006, 08:38 AM	#13
M.A.R.C. Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida, United States Posts: 6,026	Re: car smokes/burns/spits oil after new valve job - bad rings? (piotrush) bump because i'm having the same problem. motor compression is fine. car was pretty much fine before headwork. __________________ Marc 2007 Silverstone Honda S2000 \| 2000 Berlina Black Honda S2000 (sold) \| 1996 Civic - GSR Turbo: 511whp/358wtq (sold) \| 2000 Civic -D16-T;Built D16-T;LS-T (sold)

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