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D-Rob · 10-26-2005, 01:36 PM

Alright, I know how much I loved watching other people's builds when I was parting my own togther, so I might as well finally contribute something to this community that has served me pretty well so far...

The Setup:

B18A block (Hot-tanked, decked, painted, bore'd 0.25mm over, honed)
89mm crank (micropolished and balanced)
ACL main, rod, and thrust bearings
Stock rods w/ ARP rod bolts
P30 0.25mm OS pistons
ITR main caps (2, 3, 4)
ITR block girdle
ITR oil pump (new), water pump (new)
GSR timing belt
All new gaskets/seals
Golden Eagle 82mm LSVTEC kit

PR3 head from 2000 Civic Si (Hot-tanked, planed, painted)
Skunk2 valvesprings, retainers, cam gears
Stock cams
No port/polish
All new seals

ACT HD/SS
ACT StreetLite flywheel
S4C transmission
DriveShaftShop Stage 1 axles

AEBS intake manifold
Password:JDM intake manifold gasket
AEM fuel rail (not that it really does anything...)
RC 370cc injectors
65mm JG/Edelbrock throttlebody
AEM cold-air intake
DC Sports JDM 4-1 header (2.5" collector w/ skidplate welded onto bottom)
MSD SCI
NGK Iridium plugs
Test pipe
DC Sports catback

Tuned with Crome by 93turbo16 ( http://www.j-k-tuning.com )

The Results:

175 whp @ 7800 RPM
129 wtq

What I Should Have Checked:

Well, see where it says "stock cams" up there? They were sold to me as Skunk2 Stage 2's by another member here on H-T.

Turns out I got scammed, and didn't know it until I hit the dyno and laid down some low numbers with a really low VTEC x-over point. Call me crazy, but I've never seen S2S2's want VTEC at 5000 RPM.

So in the end, I paid $350 for some stock B16 cams. I suppose I should have measured them before I got rid of my S2S1's.

What Just Arrived in the Mail today:

A brand-spanking-new set of Skunk2 Pro2+'s straight from Justice Racing in Maryland.

Now onto what you all clicked for, the pictures:

P30's in their new home

New engine sitting in it's bay

...And finally, the dyno sheet (sorry for the low-quality, used cell phone camera for all photos)

Conclusion:

After the new cams, and a re-tune, I hope to see at least 190whp. 200whp would be stellar, but I'm not getting my hopes up. A nice 13.99-second pass would be nice, too, but then again, it's just a wish.

All in all, I'm pleased with the build so far. At 350 miles, I've burnt a little oil, and smoked a little, but nothing compared to my old beat B16 used to. Plus, the torque seems to be everywhere compared to my 1.6-liter.

Any comments/questions are welcomed.

Thank you Honda-Tech,
- Derek

UPDATE!!! - 12/12/05

On Saturday, December 10th, I attended a dyno competition at Dynamic Motorsports in Dillsburg, PA. I've been very anxious to see how much of a difference those big mo-fo'ing cams made compared to stock B16 cams.

Here's the results:

Take a look at the air/fuel ratio! Keep in mind that this was just a 'quick' A/F tune on the street about a month or so ago. I called my tuner, 93turbo16, and he claims my goal of 200whp may be in sight with some timing adjustment, and a little more air/fuel tuning on the dyno.

Also, as a side note, I'd like to thank Honda Bull for approximating my torque curve. For some reason, my car wasn't delivering a tach signal on the dyno, so he cleverly figured the numbers out pretty closely to what we believe to be a ROUGH estimate of the torque. So, please excuse the ghetto-rigged torque curve on there.

For that reason, I will not give an official torque output number.

NEW RESULTS:

192.73 whp

Thanks again, and happy holidays!
- Derek

Modified by D-Rob at 3:34 PM 12/12/2005

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RPRacing · 10-26-2005, 01:42 PM

congrats. looks like a nice street setup. With a nice header and the cams, i see 200whp well within reach. With Portwork to the head. I see 225whp attainable. I made 210 untuned WHP with a very similar setup, some porting, smsp header, and Pro 1 cams.
-Francisco

D-Rob · 10-26-2005, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPRacing

congrats. looks like a nice street setup. With a nice header and the cams, i see 200whp well within reach. With Portwork to the head. I see 225whp attainable. I made 210 untuned WHP with a very similar setup, some porting, smsp header, and Pro 1 cams.
-Francisco

Thanks for the encouragement.

One thing I neglected to mention is that I have a bet with a friend of mine that doesn't think an NA LSVTEC can make upwards of 185whp.

He works for a shop that claims LSVTEC's period 'don't work,' so when I laid down 175whp, I was content. Later I found out those cams weren't what I had thought they were. So now my friend will be eating his words, hopefully.

- Derek

GSRallmotr · 10-26-2005, 01:55 PM

people always underestimate LSVTEC...congrats on the numbers, im sure they will improve a bunch with the S2 cams
what is your buget like so far? excluding the stock cams you bought

D-Rob · 10-26-2005, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSRallmotr

people always underestimate LSVTEC...congrats on the numbers, im sure they will improve a bunch with the S2 cams
what is your buget like so far? excluding the stock cams you bought

Oh my... Way too much.

The machine shop bill alone was $750.

I'll have to make a tally and add onto the first post.

GSRallmotr · 10-26-2005, 02:09 PM

sounds good, and i really wouldnt be suprised if you hit 200 whp or a 14 flat for that matter..my car ran a 14 flat with all season tires:S

Chase · 10-26-2005, 02:54 PM

Could you get some more pics of the skidplate welded on. Im guessing its the Mr. Heeltoe/fastline performance one

honda_mike · 10-26-2005, 03:37 PM

u will be in the high 13's for sure , nice setup

91' LS-VTEC · 10-26-2005, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Rob

One thing I neglected to mention is that I have a bet with a friend of mine that doesn't think an NA LSVTEC can make upwards of 185whp.

Get the head PnP & install your new SK2's..then go collect from your freind.

JCushing · 10-26-2005, 05:13 PM

dude that sux that you got scammed for cams... 300 bux for b16 cams ouch! good numbers considering the major bottleneck though (the cams)

D-Rob · 10-26-2005, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Expletive Your Sister

Could you get some more pics of the skidplate welded on. Im guessing its the Mr. Heeltoe/fastline performance one

Actually, I had a friend cut, bend, and weld me on a flat piece of steel onto the bottom of it. I had no idea HeelToe had one... No kidding.

Here's a picture:

Thanks for the support, everyone.

- Derek

clean rice · 10-26-2005, 06:17 PM

FATBOYeg6 · 10-26-2005, 06:35 PM

nice setup. get those cams in and get a new dyno up ASAP!

mtber · 10-26-2005, 08:07 PM

Sucks to hear about your cams. Good luck on hitting your goals.

WeekH22#2 · 10-26-2005, 08:19 PM

you made some weak power ? what gives

RPRacing · 10-26-2005, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeekH22#2

you made some weak power ? what gives

What are you smoking?

WeekH22#2 · 10-26-2005, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPRacing

What are you smoking?

just get an H22?

D-Rob · 10-27-2005, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeekH22#2

just get an H22?

How 'bout no?

I think I made pretty good power on stock B16 cams, if I say so myself.

UPDATE:

Got the new cams in last night, and fired it up. The idle's a little shaky at high idle right now, but I'm not going to be driving it until my tuner gets here Saturday.

Honda Bull · 10-27-2005, 10:38 AM

Subscribed. Damn LS/VTECs.

Phatch99 · 10-27-2005, 11:46 AM

keep us updated... i would like to see what power it makes wit the cams in. nice street set-up

2'z kuztoms · 10-27-2005, 01:32 PM

D-Rob · 10-27-2005, 03:21 PM

UPDATE:

Sweet Lord, she idle's like poo.

I had to turn the screw under the throttlebody to even get it to remotely resemble a stable idle.

Drove it down to get gas, and at every stoplight it wanted to shut off.

Looks like she needs some tuning.

ghost turtle · 10-27-2005, 08:24 PM

mine was tuned by jim@motorvations in alabama... he said he got 195whp out of an ls/vtec the week before me... i think he was using s2s2's

get those cams and it should put you up there... my only regret is not using ctr pistons... i'm sure that would've kicked the hp in its ass.

b19coupe · 10-27-2005, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Rob

A brand-spanking-new set of Skunk2 Pro2+'s straight from Justice Racing in Maryland.

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Rob

Sweet Lord, she idle's like poo.
I had to turn the screw under the throttlebody to even get it to remotely resemble a stable idle.
Drove it down to get gas, and at every stoplight it wanted to shut off.
Looks like she needs some tuning.

Yes, she does. Big primary lobes on those cams. Good luck.

Cherchez La Ghost · 10-28-2005, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Rob

What Just Arrived in the Mail today:

A brand-spanking-new set of Skunk2 Pro2+'s straight from Justice Racing in Maryland.

Aren't those cams meant for bigger motors?

10-26-2005, 01:55 PM	#4
GSRallmotr Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: airdrie, AB, canada Posts: 11	people always underestimate LSVTEC...congrats on the numbers, im sure they will improve a bunch with the S2 cams what is your buget like so far? excluding the stock cams you bought __________________ 95civic hatch-->b18c1,ITR valves and cams,JDM ITR over-sized spoonbalanced pistons, skunk 2 intake mani, AEM CAI,p28 ecu w/ chipped vtec fromm 5-9,b16 flywheel, DC 4-2-1 headers, DC short throw shifter, GSR tranny, clutch master stage 3 racing clutch, 2.5'' straight pipe, totiko blue struts, toms motorsports coil overs, front and rear sway bars, wings west front bumper. -->spring time...boost or spray?

10-26-2005, 02:09 PM	#6
GSRallmotr Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: airdrie, AB, canada Posts: 11	sounds good, and i really wouldnt be suprised if you hit 200 whp or a 14 flat for that matter..my car ran a 14 flat with all season tires:S __________________ 95civic hatch-->b18c1,ITR valves and cams,JDM ITR over-sized spoonbalanced pistons, skunk 2 intake mani, AEM CAI,p28 ecu w/ chipped vtec fromm 5-9,b16 flywheel, DC 4-2-1 headers, DC short throw shifter, GSR tranny, clutch master stage 3 racing clutch, 2.5'' straight pipe, totiko blue struts, toms motorsports coil overs, front and rear sway bars, wings west front bumper. -->spring time...boost or spray?

10-26-2005, 02:54 PM	#7
Chase Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: EMAIL ME at ChaseBaysOnline@gmail.com Posts: 10,162	Re: (GSRallmotr) Could you get some more pics of the skidplate welded on. Im guessing its the Mr. Heeltoe/fastline performance one __________________ dAng! PG+K EMAIL ME at ChaseBaysOnline@gmail.com \| EMAIL ME at ChaseBaysOnline@gmail.com

10-26-2005, 05:13 PM	#10
JCushing Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suck it Trebek Posts: 3,128	Re: All Motor LSVTEC build / dyno (D-Rob) dude that sux that you got scammed for cams... 300 bux for b16 cams ouch! good numbers considering the major bottleneck though (the cams) __________________ 84.5mm b20, 11.5:1 cr, non-vtec P8R head with crower 404's going to go bigger FOR MORE POWER! http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emsmileo.gif http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1707713

10-26-2005, 06:17 PM	#12
clean rice Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: GO PACKERS Posts: 6,154	Re: All Motor LSVTEC build / dyno (D-Rob) __________________ Rocket Motorsports and MFactory dealer. *Rest in peace Gramma...*

10-26-2005, 01:42 PM	#2
RPRacing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Virginia Beach, VA, USA Posts: 4,577	congrats. looks like a nice street setup. With a nice header and the cams, i see 200whp well within reach. With Portwork to the head. I see 225whp attainable. I made 210 untuned WHP with a very similar setup, some porting, smsp header, and Pro 1 cams. -Francisco __________________ For Sale - 2001 NHBP ITR w/ JDM Front end 40k miles - $11,500 OBO For Sale - Lots of my old race parts. and just some good other parts

10-26-2005, 03:37 PM	#8
honda_mike Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 603	u will be in the high 13's for sure , nice setup

10-26-2005, 06:35 PM	#13
FATBOYeg6 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: frozen hell, Vermont Posts: 690	Re: All Motor LSVTEC build / dyno (clean rice) nice setup. get those cams in and get a new dyno up ASAP! __________________ Great minds think of ideas, small minds think about people.

10-26-2005, 08:07 PM	#14
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10-26-2005, 08:19 PM	#15
WeekH22#2 I'm a Jackass Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: who knows.. the shadow knows, CA, United States Posts: 223	you made some weak power ? what gives __________________ My name is Billy B atch

10-27-2005, 10:38 AM	#19
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10-27-2005, 11:46 AM	#20
Phatch99 Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: MN Posts: 1,567	Re: (HondaBullSQ) keep us updated... i would like to see what power it makes wit the cams in. nice street set-up

10-27-2005, 01:32 PM	#21
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10-27-2005, 03:21 PM	#22
D-Rob Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Carlisle, PA, USA Posts: 3,879	Re: (all slam) UPDATE: Sweet Lord, she idle's like poo. I had to turn the screw under the throttlebody to even get it to remotely resemble a stable idle. Drove it down to get gas, and at every stoplight it wanted to shut off. Looks like she needs some tuning. __________________ InnovativeMotorWorks w w w . i n n o v a t i v e - m o t o r w o r k s . c o m Cleaning Out Sale! --> http://www.hondamarketplace.com/show....php?t=2679505

10-27-2005, 08:24 PM	#23
ghost turtle Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Portland, TN, usa Posts: 762	Re: All Motor LSVTEC build / dyno (D-Rob) mine was tuned by jim@motorvations in alabama... he said he got 195whp out of an ls/vtec the week before me... i think he was using s2s2's get those cams and it should put you up there... my only regret is not using ctr pistons... i'm sure that would've kicked the hp in its ass. __________________ 91 crx ls/vtec (dead) http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emsad.gif killed by a 20 year old girl pulling out in front of me http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emthdown.gif my new 91 crx: http://www.honda-tech.com/gara...=6865 Please Educate All Children Equally

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