FINALLY I CAN TALK ABOUT THE CRZ!

[ChevelleSSLS6]

too bad they don't have a gas-only version with a K engine, and a de-contented with steelies one that's aimed for those of us who can't leave anything stock. Hmmm sounds like the much-too-late GenII CRX.

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[95tegbuild]

Originally Posted by What.

Top Secret is modifying hybrids AS hybrids and getting good results. they have an insight that rips. i see a Top Secret CR-Z in the near future, hybrid intact, cutting 1:07s at Tsukuba.

IMO, just dropping a K20 in the thing is a step in the wrong direction. then, all youd have is a RSX type S, that wont be street legal. 2800 lbs wit ha K20 doesnt get my nippls hard. save that shit for EG gut buckets.

apparently their motivation is the fact that R35 ISF ect owners have one of these to drive to work and back, so why not make something for both of their cars.

The point of swapping it is to get rid of the battery.... could be close to 2000 pounds after its gone.

[What.]

lol 2k lbs? so the car would weigh 700 after the swap?

my brother works at toyota. he recently got hybrid certified. to go to the class, the dealer he works at set him up with a prius to drive there and back. the class was in jacksonvill FL and his dealer is in tampa. thats about a 3 hour drive.

he took the prius the first day. the next day, he handed the keys back and grabbed a carolla. he got better milage with the carolla. why is that?

when a hybrid gets on the freeway, it is only using the gas engine. the electric engine gets you up and moving fro ma redight but on the freeway it is dead weight, along with the battery. so what you have is that tiny 4cyl motor, pulling a 3,000lb car on the freeway with no help.

it was interesting to me, i had never looked at it that way but its 100% true. look at the mpg stickers on them. its something like 52/30 for city/highway.

what will determine whether or not anyone swaps one will be the chassis' dependency on the battery for structural integrity. how does it tie into the chassis? its probably not a normal chassis with batteries in the trunk. the car is probably specifically built to house those batteries, as most hybrids are.

someone like J's will paint one yellow, put a K24 in it, cover it in stickers and lap tsukuba in 1:05 though. itll happen.

[shifty35]

Originally Posted by 95tegbuild

The point of swapping it is to get rid of the battery.... could be close to 2000 pounds after its gone.

Sheesh, read the thread... hybrid systems add < 200 lbs to a car. The battery in my Insight weighs 50 lbs.

Originally Posted by What.

my brother works at toyota. he recently got hybrid certified. to go to the class, the dealer he works at set him up with a prius to drive there and back. the class was in jacksonvill FL and his dealer is in tampa. thats about a 3 hour drive.

he took the prius the first day. the next day, he handed the keys back and grabbed a carolla. he got better milage with the carolla. why is that?

when a hybrid gets on the freeway, it is only using the gas engine. the electric engine gets you up and moving fro ma redight but on the freeway it is dead weight, along with the battery. so what you have is that tiny 4cyl motor, pulling a 3,000lb car on the freeway with no help.

it was interesting to me, i had never looked at it that way but its 100% true. look at the mpg stickers on them. its something like 52/30 for city/highway.

what will determine whether or not anyone swaps one will be the chassis' dependency on the battery for structural integrity. how does it tie into the chassis? its probably not a normal chassis with batteries in the trunk. the car is probably specifically built to house those batteries, as most hybrids are.

someone like J's will paint one yellow, put a K24 in it, cover it in stickers and lap tsukuba in 1:05 though. itll happen.

Newton's second law of motion, look it up. Object in motion remains in motion. Once the car is moving, the only energy needed is to overcome resistances. On the highway, this is aerodynamic drag and tire drag. All the purpose built hybrids have good aerodynamics for this reason.

The 2nd gen Prius was rated 60 city / 51 highway.

[What.]

you didnt just tell me to look up newtons law of motion, then confirm the milage number differential....

[ChevelleSSLS6]

Originally Posted by taffy07si

Agreed! Wait, you forgot, the other mind set that popele have is that, we want F/I and RWD/AWD. One more thing, we only care about the straight lines. Every car mfg aims their cars at certain things and for the Mugen RR to dust all the higher prices cars says more than enough that you do not need to be F/I, or RWD/AWD.

People whine about not having a Hype-R in the great ol US of A but yet when Mugen tries to market smoething here to test waters everyone says it's an overpriced Civic....

Wasn't the Mugen just a Si with different rims, a body kit, higher price, and a trunk mounted bookshelf? Maybe different spring rates and a thicker stabilizer bar?

[What.]

over in japan we have one called the RR advanced and its f*cking unbelievable. 2.3L 250hp, carbon everything, cool car.

[piscorpio]

Originally Posted by ChevelleSSLS6

Wasn't the Mugen just a Si with different rims, a body kit, higher price, and a trunk mounted bookshelf? Maybe different spring rates and a thicker stabilizer bar?

Not exactly, it did not get a much higher horsepower rating, but it did have essentially a slew of Mugen bolt-on parts. Springs, shocks, catback, wheels (which were very nice IMO) and of course the body kit. That said, the price was a bit high, but only when one might be considering an EVO or STI...hard to pass one of those for the Mugen Civic. At the same time, if you tried to piece the car together yourself with all the required Mugenness, it probably was a decent deal. (Some might argue Mugen parts are way overpriced anyway). So yes, 30k+ was a bit high, but in my opinion it was hands down the best Civic that has ever been sold in the US.

[SHG_Mike]

Everyone thinks the mugen is over priced, but people make the mistake of assuming the mugen parts are a "body kit" and "lowering springs that arent that low"

How much does the R&D cost to wind tunnel test a 4 peice lip kit with diffuser and a 3d Adjustable spoiler?

How much does the R&D cost to rent the track to tune the suspension valving and spring rates?

And on top of that it has a cool factor that only 1500 were made, and that the US FINALLY got a performance trimmed honda.

If your all about power and acceleration then go by an evo. To me driving those cars is while I wont say 'boring' driving a honda is a lot more exciting to me.

Driving enjoyment/lap times are more important to me then street cred and dyno numbers. Its not for everyone