Tmobile & Verizon Report Major Network Crash in NorthEast

[austinkli]

Originally Posted by jond lol. I saw AT&T is suing. I think it's funny that AT&T isn't disputing that the map is wrong. It's like, 'yeah we really suck, but you can still make phone calls... sometimes'. Umm... not really. 3g and 2.5g actually has nothing at all to do with your calls. It's strictly your internet coverage/speeds. That's like saying, we can make calls anywhere. This is part of where you can make calls on their network.

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[jond]

Originally Posted by austinkli

Umm... not really. 3g and 2.5g actually has nothing at all to do with your calls. It's strictly your internet coverage/speeds.

That's like saying, we can make calls anywhere. This is part of where you can make calls on their network.

Yeah but at&t still sucks

[Knightsport]

Originally Posted by jond

lol. I saw AT&T is suing. I think it's funny that AT&T isn't disputing that the map is wrong.
It's like, 'yeah we really suck, but you can still make phone calls... sometimes'.

That wasn't it. You have to understand how it all works. Verizon and AT&T are both Ma Bell.

Compared to Verizon, Sprint has the fastest and largest 4G networkbased onEV-DO which Verizon also uses, mainly because AT&T and Verizon are on 2.5G and 3G respectively. But AT&T is actually offering 3G(EDGE) in metropolitain areas.

And actually Verizon is stable because it uses leaf springs. CDMA. And because AT&T still provides 99% of their inter-connectivity from cell to switch. lol

It's all just marketing hype anyway, they are all Ma Bell born. And every U.S. cellular carrier is working on 4G now anyway with LTE so eventually any phone can be used on any network you choose. W/ 100M/b sec down and up coming soon.

[Knightsport]

Originally Posted by jond

Yeah but at&t still sucks

Verizon's phones suck, Sprint's customer service sucks, T Mobiles network sucks and AT&T's antenna strengths are not great in all areas.

[tazeat]

T-Mo = cheap. T-Mo has great service in 99% of the places I go.

Losing service for 6 hours, well I'd like a discount on my bill, but it's not the end of the world...

[George Knighton]

Originally Posted by jond

lol. I saw AT&T is suing. I think it's funny that AT&T isn't disputing that the map is wrong.
It's like, 'yeah we really suck, but you can still make phone calls... sometimes'.

I froze an image and looked at the map. The blue map is wrong. About 3/4 of the AT&T UMTS coverage in Virginia isn't on the map in the commercial.

[Knightsport]

Originally Posted by George Knighton

I froze an image and looked at the map. The blue map is wrong. About 3/4 of the AT&T UMTS coverage in Virginia isn't on the map in the commercial.

What they were arguing was basically semantics anyway.


Nobody really understands the difference between 2.5G, 3G, 3GPP, 4G and the LTE standards.

[George Knighton]

Originally Posted by Knightsport

What they were arguing was basically semantics anyway.


Nobody really understands the difference between 2.5G, 3G, 3GPP, 4G and the LTE standards.

I'm not sure you do, either, based on your posts a while back. :-)

At AT&T, don't we refer to EDGE as 2.5G?

UMTS is 3G, and HPDSA is 3.5G, right?

It's all a bit of a crock, anyway. I swear I think they deliberately throttle speeds if you're not on an expensive plan and you're on an unlocked device.

It's very rare for me to get over 1.0 mbps on the phone, and very rare to get over maybe 700K when tethered, even though the device proudly displays 3.5G.

[Knightsport]

Originally Posted by George Knighton

I'm not sure you do, either, based on your posts a while back. :-)

At AT&T, don't we refer to EDGE as 2.5G?

UMTS is 3G, and HPDSA is 3.5G, right?

It's all a bit of a crock, anyway. I swear I think they deliberately throttle speeds if you're not on an expensive plan and you're on an unlocked device.

It's very rare for me to get over 1.0 mbps on the phone, and very rare to get over maybe 700K when tethered, even though the device proudly displays 3.5G.

I said 2.5G standard earlier. And that was a sustainability move at the time because most users of the faster 3G and up are localized to metro areas. I'm allowed mistakes just as I'm about to allow you one....in advance.

You were close on the other, 3.5G still uses UMTS because UMTS is just a name for a particularly enabled device (Namely one that has adopted the Universal standards to work on any network more or less). HSDPA and HSPA+ are just evolutions of 3G architechture although HSDPA is often called 3G+ or 3G Turbo or even 3.5G. HSPA+ is considered technically to be 3GPP. You won't see much difference though because you are still limited to a 5MHz channel band. For now. But the only phones built to accomodate HSPA+ are from Netcomm, Qualcomm and Ericsson at present.

ATTM is planning to use HSPA+ in limited markets as a bridge until the LTE standards are adopted and implemented.

Once 3GPP Revision 8 comes out you'll know that 4G is here but 8 hasn't been ratified yet. LTE is proposing 100 Mbps down, an uplink of at least 50 Mbps and RAN round-trip times of less than 10 ms. Nutty. Sclable channel bands from 20MHz to 1.4 MHz. CRAZY fast.

[George Knighton]

LOL... Okay, Casey. :-)

Amazing speeds right over the horizon. Looking forward to it, but the latency is still going to be visibly annoying.