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tazeat · 10-22-2009, 02:51 PM

http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastra...strack-nov.pdf

SM FWD class should be interesting... Also S2K and a few others are moved to BS, quite a few changes overall with car classing... Should be interesting to see the bickering over the winter.

edit: Doesn't look like anything is final, but just suggested at this point if I'm reading correctly.

edit2: Looks like all AS moves to new BS. Old BS gets merged with old CS to make new CS. SS moved a few of the cars out and moved them in to the new AS. The S2K is in the same class, it's just called BS instead of AS now.

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Egezzy · 10-22-2009, 03:08 PM

nice.

defajardo · 10-23-2009, 08:11 PM

we have a few corvette AS owners here that I'm anxious to hear bickering from since they were "bumped" down to BS

tazeat · 10-23-2009, 08:13 PM

It's not so much bumped as it is renamed. They took a few SS cars out and put them in their own class (new AS) then took the old BS and threw them in with the CS, then rename AS to BS and everyone is happy.

Battle2.0Eg · 10-23-2009, 11:20 PM

Cone dodgers are restless...

Give them someone to copy

Ausmith · 10-25-2009, 02:41 PM

Man I haven't been into Solo for about 3 years now... I think it's funny that they are still battling over subframe connectors in STS. Still looks like the ASR components are ut becuase they serve a secondary purpose of mounting the sway bar.

As much as I love Solo I just shake my head sometimes at the level of detail and nerding out these folks get into. Can we just get along and have

lowside67 · 10-25-2009, 03:15 PM

ASR swaybar reinforcement has been ok since mid 2008 IIRC.

SMF is a good new introduction, going to be a good place to be in a swapped EG!

Ausmith · 10-26-2009, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowside67

ASR swaybar reinforcement has been ok since mid 2008 IIRC.

SMF is a good new introduction, going to be a good place to be in a swapped EG!

SMF... finally! It will be interesting to see if anyone builds up an EF to compete with the many competitive EGs.

lowside67 · 10-26-2009, 04:51 PM

Really though... why would you? CRX is also legal so if you dont care about the way it looks, etc. the CRX is a no brainer at 100lbs lighter than the EF.

Rodney · 10-26-2009, 04:54 PM

wow, johnny come lately. SMF was run since the beginning of the year. BUT, the class will fail. you need to support it nationally, otherwise it will die.

TunerN00b · 10-26-2009, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowside67

Really though... why would you? CRX is also legal so if you dont care about the way it looks, etc. the CRX is a no brainer at 100lbs lighter than the EF.

Actually...

(copy/paste from the PDF)
Minumum Weight Calculations:
All listed weights are without driver.
2 Seat FWD: 1650 + 125lbs/liter
4 Seat FWD: 1550 + 125lbs/liter

The Civic would be 100 lbs lighter than the CRX, assuming the same displacement engine was used.

JV · 10-29-2009, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodney

wow, johnny come lately. SMF was run since the beginning of the year. BUT, the class will fail. you need to support it nationally, otherwise it will die.

Only 6 cars in SMF at Nationals. Hopefully that will change next season. I'd like to see this class flourish rather than flounder...

tazeat · 10-29-2009, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JV

Only 6 cars in SMF at Nationals. Hopefully that will change next season. I'd like to see this class flourish rather than flounder...

I would to, but yes I definitely think that was mainly since it was announced so late, I think next year the turn out will likely be better, but hah, I don't know.

lowside67 · 10-30-2009, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TunerN00b

Actually...

(copy/paste from the PDF)
Minumum Weight Calculations:
All listed weights are without driver.
2 Seat FWD: 1650 + 125lbs/liter
4 Seat FWD: 1550 + 125lbs/liter

The Civic would be 100 lbs lighter than the CRX, assuming the same displacement engine was used.

Doesnt matter... there is no way the HEAVIER 4 seater civic will make the lighter minimum weight lol

An ITR swapped CRX has a realistic min weight of 1875lbs

An ITR swapped EG has a minimum of 1775lbs and would be lucky to break 1900...

My car is currently ~2100lbs with no power steering, I will be absolutely thrilled to be sub 2000lbs with power steering added.

The CRX is smaller and has a shorter wheelbase.

So my point stands - if you didnt care what you were driving, why wouldnt you be in a CRX? Personally, I'm in an EG because I cant stand CRXs

TunerN00b · 10-30-2009, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowside67

Doesnt matter... there is no way the HEAVIER 4 seater civic will make the lighter minimum weight lol

An ITR swapped CRX has a realistic min weight of 1875lbs

An ITR swapped EG has a minimum of 1775lbs and would be lucky to break 1900...

My car is currently ~2100lbs with no power steering, I will be absolutely thrilled to be sub 2000lbs with power steering added.

The CRX is smaller and has a shorter wheelbase.

So my point stands - if you didnt care what you were driving, why wouldnt you be in a CRX? Personally, I'm in an EG because I cant stand CRXs

If you are trying to make min weight, why do you still have metal fenders, hood, and doors, and glass windows?

The min weight is lighter on the Civic. Just because you can't get there, has nothing at all to do with it. People have put Integras under 2k lbs before...

Besides, you originally said CRX compared to an EF. An EF can make min weight with an ITR swap (though I would argue that an ITR swap is the wrong engine for the class).

solorex · 10-30-2009, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowside67

Personally, I'm in an EG because I cant stand CRXs

And what, pray tell is your reasoning behind this?

Unless you are talking about an '88 CRX HF with no sunroof, the CX EG's are going to be lighter. My '91 CRX Si weighs just shy of 2300lbs without the driver. I do have a rollbar that adds roughly 60lbs. Way easier to make an EG lighter than a CRX IMO. The hatch glass and sunroof are heavy, with the weight in the worst place in a CRX.

tazeat · 10-30-2009, 06:01 PM

Quote:

I. Front hoods (engine covers), engine covers, trunk lids and
hatches not containing glass, front fenders, rear fenders not part
of chassis structure (unibody), front & rear facias, and side skirts
may be modified or replaced, and may be attached with removable
fasteners. Associated hardware including latches, hinges,
and window washer nozzles may be modified, removed, or
replaced. This does not permit removal of the remainder of the
window washer system. Fenders may be flared as per Street
Prepared. Non-metallic fender liners may be modified, replaced,
or removed.

Yes you can replace all of those with carbon fiber / fiberglass to reduce weight, but I'm pretty sure you can't touch the stock glass as it is a "Street" class still...

lowside67 · 10-31-2009, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TunerN00b

If you are trying to make min weight, why do you still have metal fenders, hood, and doors, and glass windows?

The min weight is lighter on the Civic. Just because you can't get there, has nothing at all to do with it. People have put Integras under 2k lbs before...

Besides, you originally said CRX compared to an EF. An EF can make min weight with an ITR swap (though I would argue that an ITR swap is the wrong engine for the class).

It's all well and fine to just make blanket statements, but class limitations play a huge role in the amount of weight a person can take out - for example, in this class you cant touch your doors, glass, etc. My hood is going to be skinned for lighter weight than a comparable carbon hood. Carbon fenders are not worth the $$$ for the weight saved, under 10lbs for the pair, no thanks.

lowside67 · 10-31-2009, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solorex

And what, pray tell is your reasoning behind this?

Unless you are talking about an '88 CRX HF with no sunroof, the CX EG's are going to be lighter. My '91 CRX Si weighs just shy of 2300lbs without the driver. I do have a rollbar that adds roughly 60lbs. Way easier to make an EG lighter than a CRX IMO. The hatch glass and sunroof are heavy, with the weight in the worst place in a CRX.

Hey Tyson, I appreciate your point about the weight of your car, but if you were building a car from scratch for the solo purpose of building a winning SMF car, you WOULD start with an 88 CRX HF which seems to start at a sub 2000 curb weight; ST CRXs are well into the 1800s and SM allows for a lot more weight removal past ST. In my eyes, when evaluating rules you need to evaluate the POTENTIAL of the rule, not the actuality of what people are currently bringing.

fireant · 10-31-2009, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowside67

ST CRXs are well into the 1800s

Wha? That seems pretty low for ST.

Viorent GRIP! · 11-02-2009, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fireant

Wha? That seems pretty low for ST.

Oops I take that back, Mike King's CRX Si is 1850 apparently.

lowside67 · 11-06-2009, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fireant

Wha? That seems pretty low for ST.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viorent GRIP!

Oops I take that back, Mike King's CRX Si is 1850 apparently.

Yeah, I dont have a specific source to quote, I just thought I had seen an STS CRX on SCCAforums for sale at 1860lbs.

Is there any doubt that a CRX is lighter than an EF which is lighter than an EG, considering base models for all of them?

solorex · 11-06-2009, 03:54 PM

Here's a link to some weights:

http://hondacivicblog.com/honda-car-weight-list

The HF is the lightest (US only).

01-0041 · 11-06-2009, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowside67

My car is currently ~2100lbs with no power steering, I will be absolutely thrilled to be sub 2000lbs with power steering added.

If your car weighs in at ~2100 you have a lot of work to do! ;-)

My Si with ABS weighed in at 2030 and I had a lot left to do...

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10-23-2009, 08:13 PM	#4
tazeat Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: WA Posts: 696	Re: New SCCA Solo Classing It's not so much bumped as it is renamed. They took a few SS cars out and put them in their own class (new AS) then took the old BS and threw them in with the CS, then rename AS to BS and everyone is happy. __________________ Silver '97 Civic HX W/ B18C1 Function over form. Integrity over greed. Trust over profit. I just killed a cone =[. It moved under my wheel all on its own, I swear!

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10-25-2009, 02:41 PM	#6
Ausmith Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hessen, Germany Posts: 5,720	Re: New SCCA Solo Classing Man I haven't been into Solo for about 3 years now... I think it's funny that they are still battling over subframe connectors in STS. Still looks like the ASR components are ut becuase they serve a secondary purpose of mounting the sway bar. As much as I love Solo I just shake my head sometimes at the level of detail and nerding out these folks get into. Can we just get along and have

10-25-2009, 03:15 PM	#7
lowside67 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 54	Re: New SCCA Solo Classing ASR swaybar reinforcement has been ok since mid 2008 IIRC. SMF is a good new introduction, going to be a good place to be in a swapped EG! __________________ 95 Honda Civic CX Autocross/Solosprint

10-26-2009, 04:51 PM	#9
lowside67 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 54	Re: New SCCA Solo Classing Really though... why would you? CRX is also legal so if you dont care about the way it looks, etc. the CRX is a no brainer at 100lbs lighter than the EF. __________________ 95 Honda Civic CX Autocross/Solosprint

10-26-2009, 04:54 PM	#10
Rodney Moderator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: hop,skip, and a jump from the city,, new friggin york, USA Posts: 5,300	Re: New SCCA Solo Classing wow, johnny come lately. SMF was run since the beginning of the year. BUT, the class will fail. you need to support it nationally, otherwise it will die.

11-06-2009, 03:54 PM	#23
solorex Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Port Moody, BC, Canada Posts: 312	Re: New SCCA Solo Classing Here's a link to some weights: http://hondacivicblog.com/honda-car-weight-list The HF is the lightest (US only).

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