help me make more power!

[4 door beast]

hey just wondering if i built my head up how much power would i gain i need help building my motor for next years races. i live in colorado. i have a 4 door integra leather guts. I had my motor rebuilt last summer, i had a stock gsr then i had a shop do civic type r pistons, b16 head dual valvesprings, stock b16 cams, all new gaskets, i got a chipped p28 ecu, 17" wheels at 5,500 feet my best run was a 16.8 a stock gsr 4 door runs 17.8 up there so i have drop a sec from last year. my plan was to get type r cams cuz the guy at the shop said it would make my engine a complete "poor mans type r" . i wanna make more power thos what should i do? iwas thinking of gettin some stock ls meshs"lighter", then instead of oem type r cams could i use like a pro stage 1 skunk 2 camshaft? i wanna make so much more power but i know my power will be limited due to the high compression pistons thanks guys let meknow! p.s. i already have full apexi exhaust header intake cheap upgrades

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[tacvbo2ner]

Speed= money

How fast do you want to go??

[4 door beast]

i dont really have a set goal because i dont know what my limits are id like to get my car into the 12s

[sweetfwdthunder]

Just put nitrous on it!

[4 door beast]

well i was hopin somone could come in and take the time to read my post and think about what i could do not just slap nitrous on it with no other details

[senser1080]

Boost it.

[4 door beast]

wow..

[GagnarTheUnruly]

I think they are poking fun because your post sort of gives the impression that you got your mods done without thinking ahead too much about exactly what kind of build you wanted. I don't know if that's the case but it is sorta how it came across.

I'd say with such high compression pistons you're definitely headed for an all motor build, so obviously things like FI are out of the question. In that case if you've done the necessary breather mods obviously the next step is to upgrade the camshafts. Unfortunately, I don't really know enough about all motor builds to give you good advice, but there are certainly people here who do. Obviously you want a cam that matches your compression well, but you also need to make sure that you've got proper clearances. I honestly have no idea how much of an issue that is for your build. There's a strong chance you'll be advised to swap other parts out as well.

If you don't get more help here, I recommend trying again in the All Motor section. Also, you'll get better replies if you just post your entire build -- just list it out, and definitely say what catback, cat, header and intake you have (give pipe diameters at the very least), because all those matter quite a bit, actually. They'll also like it if you are clear about your goals. Say 12's if that's what you want, but know that you'll need race gas and special tires for that as well, and it'll also take a lot of work and may degrade your car as a DD.

[4 door beast]

hmmm thanks for the info this is actually more of what i needed to know thanks thanks thanks!!

[GagnarTheUnruly]

I'm glad I could help. I definitely want to stress, however, that you should really do your research before getting a set of cams. Since cams all cost relatively the same regardless of performance level you might as well get the correct cams right off the bat. Getting the wrong cams could cause you to miss some performance potential, could result in driveability loss, or could potentially harm your engine.

You need to make sure your valvetrain is equipped to handle the cams you buy, and you need to find out from someone more knowledgeable than I whether you will have P to V clearance issues with your internals. Your pistons are pushing up pretty high, and high, long duration lifts from high-spec cams might be risky. My gut feeling is that you could do better performance-wise than ITR, but that Skunk2 Pro 1's are pretty extreme and might cause you some trouble if you aren't careful.

I also need to point out that I am NOT the person to give you concrete advice on this. I'm still a big noob when it comes to allmotor engine building.

[dntnedvtec]

there are only a few people in the world that can properly tune the SK2 pro cams. Some guys can tune it, but if you are planning to get them, get it tune right by the few individuals that really know how to. Me? LOL I am not even close...But not being an ass, 12's in colorado would be extremely fast somewhere else. Altitude affects a car a lot. 16.8 there, but come either to MN, or somewhere closer to sea level, you bet 15's, or even 14's. BTW have you ever been in a 12 sec car? how about 13 or even 14? It is very scary....fastest car I have ever been in would have to be 540hp Supra. Yes, I shit my self. funny also because he ran the 1/4 in 12.XX something.....very scary..

[4 door beast]

fastest car ive been in was a z28 camaro, an older one, it was my step dads it use to scare me as a kid but hey i dont see 500 hp cars as daily drivers usually, but i mean you know exactly what i mean when we talk about altittude, most ppl wouldnt even bother with all motor cars everyone up here just boost but i just want beat some evos and sti's thats ALL there is up here, but would be nice to have a deacently fast car to have some fun in wether that means getting nitrous or whatev i have to do..

[jcdimvic]

I would go with skunk2 pro 2s. could do some head work but that is a little more costly, if u do be sure to do the intake and exhaust ports also. Those 17s are junk for your quarter mile times get some 14s with some slicks. when i put the slicks on my civic i gained .2 seconds with not much effort at all. Just my two cents.

[4 door beast]

sweet yeah i was thinkin of getting a set of ls webs, how do slicks cost?

[mrdeadman]

Originally Posted by 4 door beast

fastest car ive been in was a z28 camaro, an older one, it was my step dads it use to scare me as a kid but hey i dont see 500 hp cars as daily drivers usually, but i mean you know exactly what i mean when we talk about altittude, most ppl wouldnt even bother with all motor cars everyone up here just boost but i just want beat some evos and sti's thats ALL there is up here, but would be nice to have a deacently fast car to have some fun in wether that means getting nitrous or whatev i have to do..

You aren't going to beat either of those going N/A unless you spend a ridiculous amount of money and swap something that isn't built by honda like an ls1.

[4 door beast]

well im hopin a 50 shot of nitrous will help and nah im gonna stay honda here, cuz even if it was possible to put a REAR WHEEL drive engine in as a daily driver i would need a million bucks... anyways ever since i got my motor rebuilt i have no prob beating cummins, v8 stangs, shoot ive even held a dodge charger hemi, not to brag im sure those arnt the fastest cars in the world but, i know my lil tegg does the job god i love her (teggy) <3

[Dogginator]

Originally Posted by 4 door beast

i dont really have a set goal because i dont know what my limits are id like to get my car into the 12s

You have a goal, but have not chosen a path to reach it. You need to do some reading, especially in the Drag forum. If you are at 5500 feet, boost is a more attractive option.

[mrdeadman]

Originally Posted by 4 door beast

well im hopin a 50 shot of nitrous will help and nah im gonna stay honda here, cuz even if it was possible to put a REAR WHEEL drive engine in as a daily driver i would need a million bucks... anyways ever since i got my motor rebuilt i have no prob beating cummins, v8 stangs, shoot ive even held a dodge charger hemi, not to brag im sure those arnt the fastest cars in the world but, i know my lil tegg does the job god i love her (teggy) <3

Sorry to say it, but I don't think they were racing you.
You are putting maybe 190whp to the ground, if that.
Read in the drag forum like dogg said. If you are planning on drag, you really need to look into forced induction. Because you will never get there with a na honda engine...

[4 door beast]

well i actually know they were racing, i just mentioned some those were from bandimere, and i said a 50 or 80 shot would help me!!!

[Dogginator]

Don't street race. And if you do, don't talk about it here.

[GagnarTheUnruly]

I think he means those races were at Bandimere, which is a drag strip.

[88aeFC3S]

Originally Posted by mrdeadman

Sorry to say it, but I don't think they were racing you.
You are putting maybe 190whp to the ground, if that.
Read in the drag forum like dogg said. If you are planning on drag, you really need to look into forced induction. Because you will never get there with a na honda engine...

just saying, but its possible...my bro was able to keep up with a charger too when he was at the strip. actually my bro took off on it off the line. all my bro had was a stock b20 motor, itr tranny in a hatch...power to weight ratio i guess. and yes, those dodge charger hemis arent the fastest cars in the world.

but good luck making more power going NA with B-series. to me, if i was to go with NA, i'd rather do an H2B or K-series swap...they have a lot more power potential.

[4 door beast]

well, yes those cars were from bandimere, but i wanna know whats wrong with stepin on it on the road dont tell me you have a b engine and dont like to have fun, im not retarded either i wouldnt put someone elses life in danger so obviously you dont race around other cars... but im not gonna wait a year til race season to have fun id say its fine on an open road or backroad where you can only kill your self. but yesss i still have questions, a kseries is out of my reach, so how much power from a good tune off the s300 could i make with type r cams, also would type r cams give me like 10 hp over stock b 16?

[OH_1fstgsr]

Originally Posted by 4 door beast

well, yes those cars were from bandimere, but i wanna know whats wrong with stepin on it on the road dont tell me you have a b engine and dont like to have fun, im not retarded either i wouldnt put someone elses life in danger so obviously you dont race around other cars... but im not gonna wait a year til race season to have fun id say its fine on an open road or backroad where you can only kill your self. but yesss i still have questions, a kseries is out of my reach, so how much power from a good tune off the s300 could i make with type r cams, also would type r cams give me like 10 hp over stock b 16?

A K-swap can get very pricey, I believe between 5k to 9k for all the right parts. Maybe a bit less with some searching.
I run ITR cams in my GSR with a S300, saw about 8whp peak when I changed cams. You might see 10hp, but if you are still running stock compression I don't think you'll make it.
Some of what you have mentioned I think a 2.0ltr, 12.5:1 89 or 92 stroke with some big cams, Pro2's maybe, you should get into some pretty good power at your elevation.

[4 door beast]

wow just the answer i needed thanks apreciated!