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[juevi]

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[accord95vtec]

I've been seeing the issue commercials here in Cincy.....I don't remember KY ever having such "vote FOR issue _____" hmm.

Anyway, if Ohio doesn't get it, the better for KY if the republican clowns ever allow it at Churchill Downs.

[TheMuffinMan]

Originally Posted by George Knighton

It won't matter. The proposed roads projects that are one of the main campaign pledges of the Republicans isn't going to ever happen.

Just hang out in Westhampton for a day or two and you can tell that the powers aren't going to let it happen.

The Republican is going to win, but it's mostly because the Democrat is a very bad campaigner and because it's a tradition in the Old Dominion to provide opposition to the White House in the by elections.

I'm afraid that's just how life goes around here.

I've got my fingers crossed on traffic fixes I deal with one of the worst areas every day.

[Unseen Racer]

meh

[Techno Tonis]

Originally Posted by Archidictus

Voting for legalized casinos

BOOOOOOOOOO

[Techno Tonis]

Originally Posted by juevi

Sorry my Ohio peeps, I voted no as well. You are correct that there are VERY little jobs, but because of that crime is already up, as well as depression. Adding gambling into this scenario is a bad recipe'. As well as how it is drawn out, I think it's all very bad news. And it's gonna create no where near the jobs they are stating.

YAYYYYY

[juevi]

Wellllll.... got a text last night about the casino's being passed and I have to say, that was very unexpected. It's kind of a shame IMO, for one it's a shame how one sided the advertising was. MILLIONS were spent to get it to pass, yet it didn't pass that strong at all, and it was shot down the previous two times IIRC.

Canton Repository:

"COLUMBUS — .Ohio voters hard hit by the economic downturn opened their state to casino gambling Tuesday after an expensive campaign promising thousands of jobs.

Passage of Issue 3 marked a significant victory for Penn National Gaming Inc. and Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert, who spent nearly $35 million promoting four big-city casinos in Columbus, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Toledo as the Ohio Jobs & Growth Plan.

With 91 percent of precincts reporting unofficial results, Issue 3 passed 53 percent to 47 percent."

So 35 Million from just ONE contributor Very VERY little was spent on saying no to the issue, because, well the rest have very little to spend. IMO, money won this election, nothing else, and it's a real shame.

It'll be interesting how this plays out, only time will tell, and luckily, we have a few on location (Cbus, Cleveland, and Cincy) to keep us informed. *watches Hatchy and Arch light up cigars and crack knuckles*

[George Knighton]

Originally Posted by TheMuffinMan

I've got my fingers crossed on traffic fixes I deal with one of the worst areas every day.

I understand, but I do not understand how we're going to fix it without raising taxes or putting up tolls on some roads.

The McDonnell scheme for selling off the ABC stores is probably not going to work because the big wigs know that this is a net loss to the Old Dominion in five years. It'd raise a lot of money the first couple of years, but you're losing the long term income.

He's going to have to think of something else, or abandon the project.

I seriously doubt that the General Assembly is going to reduce education monies in order to fix the traffic problem.

[jond]

Originally Posted by George Knighton

I understand, but I do not understand how we're going to fix it without raising taxes or putting up tolls on some roads.

To fix traffic:
1. Raise the speed limits
2. Reduce the fines for speeding
3. Enforce minimum speed limits

Most traffic problems that I see every day are due to slow drivers clogging up the system.

[juevi]

Originally Posted by jond

To fix traffic:
1. Raise the speed limits
2. Reduce the fines for speeding
3. Enforce minimum speed limits

Most traffic problems that I see every day are due to slow drivers clogging up the system.

I like the way you think. TICKET people for not using the left lanes for passing, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Techno Tonis]

Originally Posted by juevi

I like the way you think. TICKET people for not using the left lanes for passing, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

here, here

[Archidictus]

Originally Posted by juevi

Wellllll.... got a text last night about the casino's being passed and I have to say, that was very unexpected. It's kind of a shame IMO, for one it's a shame how one sided the advertising was. MILLIONS were spent to get it to pass, yet it didn't pass that strong at all, and it was shot down the previous two times IIRC.

IMO, money won this election, nothing else, and it's a real shame.

It'll be interesting how this plays out, only time will tell, and luckily, we have a few on location (Cbus, Cleveland, and Cincy) to keep us informed. *watches Hatchy and Arch light up cigars and crack knuckles*

H-T poker meet 2012, my place. BYOB

[juevi]

Originally Posted by Archidictus

H-T poker meet 2012, my place. BYOB

Might as well make it 12/21/12. I mean, it will be my birthday, and the end of the world all in one shot... sounds like a party to me!!

When are they thinking these Casino's are gonna be up and running? I'm sure they will waste very little time.

[George Knighton]

Originally Posted by jond

To fix traffic:
1. Raise the speed limits

The Commonwealth faces enormous licensing difficulties because of the immigration and language issues. Most legislators believe that it would be a net loss to the Dominion if we raised speed limits.

And have you seen some of the rickety junk that's trying to get inside the Beltway? Do you really want those cars driving at 80 miles per hour?

Whatever solution you can think of to get those people or those cars off the roads is going to cause us to spend more money on this or that enforcement and inspection.

And I might presume to object that there is a logical flaw in the premise. You're acting like people can hop onto a restricted access road that takes them straight to their homes. Even if we raised the limit on 66 to 80 miles per hour, the ramps are going to be dumping onto overtaxed Route 7 and Route 50, where there is little easement for extended merge ramps.

What good does it do raising the speed limit if you're going to be backed up at the ramps because there's no way to get off?

2. Reduce the fines for speeding

I dunno. With the economy the way that it is, it's more likely the fines will go up.

Most people have no idea of vehicle dynamics, you know. Most people who are riding somebody's bumper at 80 really have no bloody notion of what will really happen to them in an emergency, or how dangerous it really is to drive that fast in traffic.

3. Enforce minimum speed limits

We enforce it when it's logical to do it. But if traffic's choked on the Beltway or I66 at 8:00 AM, enforcing a minimum isn't something that is logical.

There isn't any legal way to even widen 66 inside the Beltway. There's no more easement, and the surrounding property is worth so much that you're going to run into the biggest funding problem in history.

We have the power to condemn an easement, but there will be hell to pay politically, legally and financially. Remember that we're talking about a state in which one old man (Billy Munford) with an historic home in Goochland managed to hold up Route 288 for ten years. They ended up relocating the road and displacing hundreds of other property owners instead of fighting him further.

The only real answer to this horrible traffic problem in the DC/NoVA area is to get people onto safe, logical and efficient mass transit.

[Dogginator]

Originally Posted by juevi

Wellllll.... got a text last night about the casino's being passed and I have to say, that was very unexpected. It's kind of a shame IMO, for one it's a shame how one sided the advertising was. MILLIONS were spent to get it to pass, yet it didn't pass that strong at all, and it was shot down the previous two times IIRC.

Canton Repository:


So 35 Million from just ONE contributor Very VERY little was spent on saying no to the issue, because, well the rest have very little to spend. IMO, money won this election, nothing else, and it's a real shame.

It'll be interesting how this plays out, only time will tell, and luckily, we have a few on location (Cbus, Cleveland, and Cincy) to keep us informed. *watches Hatchy and Arch light up cigars and crack knuckles*

Sigh. It should have gone to open bid like any other government contract. Now companies are locked in the OH constitution.

[GS'D YA]

LET'S DO THIS!!!! who's up for a casino meet?!?

[Archidictus]

Originally Posted by GS'D YA

LET'S DO THIS!!!! who's up for a casino meet?!?

Originally Posted by Archidictus

H-T poker meet 2012, my place. BYOB

[Overkill]

Originally Posted by George Knighton

I understand, but I do not understand how we're going to fix it without raising taxes or putting up tolls on some roads.

Oh man, I would be soo screwed if they did that at the Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel.

[GS'D YA]

Originally Posted by Archidictus

BYOB!? If we go to the casino, we get dranks fo free playboy...fo free!!!!!

[jond]

Originally Posted by George Knighton

And have you seen some of the rickety junk that's trying to get inside the Beltway? Do you really want those cars driving at 80 miles per hour?

Good point.
80 in a new car and 80 in a 25 year old car are two different things.

Originally Posted by George Knighton

And I might presume to object that there is a logical flaw in the premise. You're acting like people can hop onto a restricted access road that takes them straight to their homes. Even if we raised the limit on 66 to 80 miles per hour, the ramps are going to be dumping onto overtaxed Route 7 and Route 50, where there is little easement for extended merge ramps.

I was thinking Richmond, not this bill for NOVA specifically. Most of the exits off the highways here sweep and none are clogged. You're right though in NOVA, when the secondaries are clogged it's a different animal.

Originally Posted by George Knighton

We enforce it when it's logical to do it. But if traffic's choked on the Beltway or I66 at 8:00 AM, enforcing a minimum isn't something that is logical.

I imagine it's not an easy thing to enforce.
But what I see is if someone on 288 where the limit is 65mph, and the fast lane clicks along just under 80. What happens is you'll have people in the slow lane doing 60 which causes the "normal" slow people to have to pass them. At which point you get someone doing 65 entering the 80mph traffic and hell ensues. If you could ticket the people doing 60mph, and not ticket the people doing only 20 over, things would flow, and IMO, be safer.

Originally Posted by George Knighton

The only real answer to this horrible traffic problem in the DC/NoVA area is to get people onto safe, logical and efficient mass transit.

I think you're right there.
I would also like to see another highway built beside 95 and 301 that goes from Richmond past DC.
301 and 95 together are not enough for the traffic volume.

[rockcity]

Originally Posted by juevi

Wellllll.... got a text last night about the casino's being passed and I have to say, that was very unexpected. It's kind of a shame IMO, for one it's a shame how one sided the advertising was. MILLIONS were spent to get it to pass, yet it didn't pass that strong at all, and it was shot down the previous two times IIRC.

Canton Repository:


So 35 Million from just ONE contributor Very VERY little was spent on saying no to the issue, because, well the rest have very little to spend. IMO, money won this election, nothing else, and it's a real shame.

It'll be interesting how this plays out, only time will tell, and luckily, we have a few on location (Cbus, Cleveland, and Cincy) to keep us informed. *watches Hatchy and Arch light up cigars and crack knuckles*

Sad to say, but pretty much all elections are won by money. The general populace is either too lazy or too ignorant to do their own research so they believe whatever they see on billboards, hear on the radio, or watch on T.V.

[Archidictus]

Originally Posted by rockcity

Sad to say, but pretty much all elections are won by money. The general populace is either too lazy or too ignorant to do their own research so they believe whatever they see on billboards, hear on the radio, or watch on T.V.

FYI, the "general populace" doesn't really vote in elections not including a presidential nomination. I was told that less than 10% of voters turn out when it's not about the next guy in the white house.

So most of the people who vote between presidential years are doing so because they give a shit about the issues rather than deciding who they don't want running our country into the ground for the next four years.

The lady and I made a date of it last night. Voted, bought a dishwasher, snagged me some new dress shoes and smuggled Subway into Ice Age 3 at the dollar theater Sexy.

[Dogginator]

I let my 3 year old vote for me. His name isn't even Chad.

[juevi]

Originally Posted by rockcity

Sad to say, but pretty much all elections are won by money. The general populace is either too lazy or too ignorant to do their own research so they believe whatever they see on billboards, hear on the radio, or watch on T.V.

Agreed, I wasn't sure about this, but after listening to the majority of people at work, it seems true I'm afraid.

About only 10% voting, I agree and understand that, BUT, I feel even that 10% is not really well informed, and them too are swayed heavily by media. I'd say 2-3% (of that 10) are really informed, but of course that's just a guess.

I thought it was sad yesterday going to vote and seeing how empty it was compared to the white house election. SO much that effects us can happen in these smaller elections.

[Dunc]

Originally Posted by juevi

but because of that crime is already up, as well as depression.

Crime creates/saves jobs so bring on the gambling, pillaging, rioting, etc.