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tazeat · 11-02-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 01-0041

I was looking at some old pictures and thought I'd post a few...

Bremerton ’05 - local event
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Packwood ’05 - local event
[img]http://lh5.ggpht.com/_MDj61SXbZz4/Su-_iWq8ZcI/AAAAAAAADYY/zsjgaZNDGEg/s800/event2.jpg[img]

Packwood National Tour ‘05
[img]http://lh5.ggpht.com/_MDj61SXbZz4/Su-_80T2szI/AAAAAAAADY0/WWCWg6f9YPk/s800/DSC00204.JPG[img]

Nationals ‘05
[img]http://lh5.ggpht.com/_MDj61SXbZz4/Sc3HLdCeE9I/AAAAAAAABgU/G9EhAv3S3GQ/s800/Nationals%202005%20021.jpg[img]

Some days I wish we still ran this car! I did bring it out a few times this year as the last time the car was autocrossed was Packwood after ’05 Natioals

Right on, a local! Car looks fun and fast! With SMF at nationals now... Who knows...

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Doberio · 11-03-2009, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 01-0041

I was looking at some old pictures and thought I'd post a few...

Some days I wish we still ran this car! I did bring it out a few times this year as the last time the car was autocrossed was Packwood after ’05 Natioals

I've never met a racer who did NOT regret selling his EG racecar/weekend warrior.

I've never owned another car that gave such a good bang for the $$$ racing wise.

datni99ahern · 11-03-2009, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by typeR_s

Could you post a few more pics of your car?

It looks like it sits right. I'm trying to find someone to trade me a 4 door EK for my 240sx.

tazeat · 11-03-2009, 06:40 AM

4 doors may fit more whores, but is it faster around the track?

01-0041 · 11-03-2009, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Doberio

I've never met a racer who did NOT regret selling his EG racecar/weekend warrior.

I've never owned another car that gave such a good bang for the $$$ racing wise.

Ohh... I still have it. It's just not autocross worthy - I sold the interior in preparation of a cage I never got around to. ;-)

It's still a toy. In fact I'm building a new engine for it while doing a minor rewire.

It might make it out to a couple local events this coming year.

MBellRacing · 11-03-2009, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tazeat

4 doors may fit more whores, but is it faster around the track?

I don't know if it is the same story as the BMWs, but it was common knowledge that the 4-door cars had much more structural rigidity than the 2 door models. I also know that a number of newer Honda race teams are opting toward the 4-door models because they have a slightly longer wheelbase... not sure if either of these reasons fit.

get RIGHT · 11-03-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MBellRacing

I don't know if it is the same story as the BMWs, but it was common knowledge that the 4-door cars had much more structural rigidity than the 2 door models. I also know that a number of newer Honda race teams are opting toward the 4-door models because they have a slightly longer wheelbase... not sure if either of these reasons fit.

Same story for the DC2's and new Si's/Type R's as well.

datni99ahern · 11-03-2009, 08:56 AM

ive heard the same things, due to the longer wheel base they handle alot better, not to brag but mine handles really well for the little amount of things i have done to it

STN_Pat · 11-03-2009, 01:00 PM

Having more rigidity structurally speaking, and handling much better because of wheel base are 2 totally different information.

Civic 96-00 sedans have 10 inches more body, while they have the exact same 103.2 inches wheel base. Sedans will be heavier and 0.6 inches higher than coupe/hatch. This said, ignoring the fact that the weight will be limited by the sanctionning body (ie not by the car itself), hatches makes for an easier platform to start with, in my opinion. I am pretty sure a cage will make them chassis rigidity differences unexistant, so saying one chassis is better than another is absurd (i am) in a racing (weight limit) context, while using the lightest chassis should be on top of the reasons you choose a shell in an amateur-looking-for-ideal-in-this-not-so-ideal-world context.

Didn't mean to sound like a jack ass but reading replies here made me think about it...this concerns 96-00 Honda Civic only...

MBellRacing · 11-03-2009, 04:22 PM

If spec weight is above the sedan's minimum weight, which I assume it would be in most cases, there may still be a school of thought to use the longer trunk space as a tuning tool. I assume a Honda hatch has a fair amount of natural nose weight which can't be too fun to deal with on a FWD car at times. I know the same people that opted for the 4-door modern Si did so to better replicate the TSX which was an amazing car-- even compared to the Civic. I tested both of these cars and the Civic was very twitchy compared to the TSX. The latter would rotate a large amount on entry thanks to a bit more rear weight (and therefore more inertia) and then as soon as you planted your throttle foot it would settle down thanks to the wheelbase. The only other Honda I've every driven was an EK hatch and it definitely was an interesting car to setup properly and drive compared to the modern Civic 4-door and TSX.

Lo-Buck EF · 11-04-2009, 02:51 PM

after nosing it into the armco/tires at njmp. bone headed mistake. i was still able to pull off a 3rd and 1st place finish for the weekend

Stinkycheezmonky · 11-04-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lo-Buck EF

after nosing it into the armco/tires at njmp. bone headed mistake. i was still able to pull off a 3rd and 1st place finish for the weekend

Bummer and congrats at the same time!

Stinkycheezmonky · 11-04-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by typeR_s

I'm trying to find someone to trade me a 4 door EK for my 240sx.

Didn't you just buy that?

typeR_s · 11-04-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tazeat

4 doors may fit more whores, but is it faster around the track?

HAHAHA Depends on how fat the chicks are in the back seat when your going around the track.

And stinky, you can only do it sideways for so long before you gotta change positions.

datni99ahern Thanks for the pics. I'm actually supposed to be trading this saturday for a 98 white lx- all I gotta say is, boosted DD.

TonySemi · 11-04-2009, 10:17 PM

Wow, Nice ride!!

98SpecR · 11-07-2009, 01:10 PM

The Destroyer · 11-07-2009, 02:22 PM

Is that pbir?

.:Made in OC:. · 11-07-2009, 03:27 PM

Took my car to display at Cars & Coffee last weekend.

Linh. · 11-07-2009, 05:53 PM

I always wanted to go to that meet but I cant wake up early enough.

Egezzy · 11-07-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tazeat

4 doors may fit more whores, but is it faster around the track?

shonuff!!! lol.

tazeat · 11-07-2009, 08:31 PM

I still see no evidence of it being faster around the track

:p

BLU CIVIC · 11-07-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tazeat

I still see no evidence of it being faster around the track

:p

seems to be behind all the coupes...just a visual observation

~sp33~ · 11-07-2009, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BLU CIVIC

seems to be held up byall the coupes...

Just a visual observation.

Egezzy · 11-08-2009, 05:53 AM

lol. actually yes that em1 was holding me up both me and stinkycheez were yelling. lol. but he finally gave the wave by.

the 240 i dont remember getting by but he had a rb26 swap with an upgraded single turbo from what i was told. so that up against a stock d16 yiiiiiikes.

and also just because a car is "behind" someone doesnt mean the ahead car is "faster" nor does it mean one chassis is faster than the other. i just posted the pic for sedan love purposes.

Lo-Buck EF · 11-08-2009, 06:36 AM

love sedans!

11-03-2009, 06:40 AM	#1104
tazeat Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: WA Posts: 696	Re: Road Racing / Autocross / Time Attack Picture Post!!! 4 doors may fit more whores, but is it faster around the track? __________________ Silver '97 Civic HX W/ B18C1 Function over form. Integrity over greed. Trust over profit. I just killed a cone =[. It moved under my wheel all on its own, I swear!

11-03-2009, 08:56 AM	#1108
datni99ahern Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Orlando, Fl, United States Of America Posts: 1,185	Re: Road Racing / Autocross / Time Attack Picture Post!!! ive heard the same things, due to the longer wheel base they handle alot better, not to brag but mine handles really well for the little amount of things i have done to it

11-03-2009, 01:00 PM	#1109
STN_Pat Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,959	Re: Road Racing / Autocross / Time Attack Picture Post!!! Having more rigidity structurally speaking, and handling much better because of wheel base are 2 totally different information. Civic 96-00 sedans have 10 inches more body, while they have the exact same 103.2 inches wheel base. Sedans will be heavier and 0.6 inches higher than coupe/hatch. This said, ignoring the fact that the weight will be limited by the sanctionning body (ie not by the car itself), hatches makes for an easier platform to start with, in my opinion. I am pretty sure a cage will make them chassis rigidity differences unexistant, so saying one chassis is better than another is absurd (i am) in a racing (weight limit) context, while using the lightest chassis should be on top of the reasons you choose a shell in an amateur-looking-for-ideal-in-this-not-so-ideal-world context. Didn't mean to sound like a jack ass but reading replies here made me think about it...this concerns 96-00 Honda Civic only... __________________ Thanks George @ HT, thanks Ryan @ Eibach, thanks Lee @ Koni. Unban Kiwi.

11-03-2009, 04:22 PM	#1110
MBellRacing Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: San Mateo/Los Altos, CA, USA Posts: 96	Re: Road Racing / Autocross / Time Attack Picture Post!!! If spec weight is above the sedan's minimum weight, which I assume it would be in most cases, there may still be a school of thought to use the longer trunk space as a tuning tool. I assume a Honda hatch has a fair amount of natural nose weight which can't be too fun to deal with on a FWD car at times. I know the same people that opted for the 4-door modern Si did so to better replicate the TSX which was an amazing car-- even compared to the Civic. I tested both of these cars and the Civic was very twitchy compared to the TSX. The latter would rotate a large amount on entry thanks to a bit more rear weight (and therefore more inertia) and then as soon as you planted your throttle foot it would settle down thanks to the wheelbase. The only other Honda I've every driven was an EK hatch and it definitely was an interesting car to setup properly and drive compared to the modern Civic 4-door and TSX.

11-04-2009, 02:51 PM	#1111
Lo-Buck EF Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: dumpster divin for ra1s, NY Posts: 5,213	Re: Road Racing / Autocross / Time Attack Picture Post!!! after nosing it into the armco/tires at njmp. bone headed mistake. i was still able to pull off a 3rd and 1st place finish for the weekend __________________ 2009 NEHC H2 Champ AJ Nealey Racing MLR Motorsports East Coast Honda Challenge Last edited by Lo-Buck EF; 11-04-2009 at 03:03 PM.

11-04-2009, 10:17 PM	#1115
TonySemi Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: seven cities VA Posts: 18	Re: Road Racing / Autocross / Time Attack Picture Post!!! Wow, Nice ride!!

11-07-2009, 01:10 PM	#1116
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11-07-2009, 02:22 PM	#1117
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11-07-2009, 03:27 PM	#1118
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11-07-2009, 05:53 PM	#1119
Linh. Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Garden Grove, CA, us Posts: 2,284	Re: Road Racing / Autocross / Time Attack Picture Post!!! I always wanted to go to that meet but I cant wake up early enough.

11-07-2009, 08:31 PM	#1121
tazeat Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: WA Posts: 696	Re: Road Racing / Autocross / Time Attack Picture Post!!! I still see no evidence of it being faster around the track :p __________________ Silver '97 Civic HX W/ B18C1 Function over form. Integrity over greed. Trust over profit. I just killed a cone =[. It moved under my wheel all on its own, I swear!

11-08-2009, 05:53 AM	#1124
Egezzy Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: TrailBraking and LateApexing in my Power of Dreams. Posts: 4,827	Re: Road Racing / Autocross / Time Attack Picture Post!!! lol. actually yes that em1 was holding me up both me and stinkycheez were yelling. lol. but he finally gave the wave by. the 240 i dont remember getting by but he had a rb26 swap with an upgraded single turbo from what i was told. so that up against a stock d16 yiiiiiikes. and also just because a car is "behind" someone doesnt mean the ahead car is "faster" nor does it mean one chassis is faster than the other. i just posted the pic for sedan love purposes. __________________ newleaf. "Racing is the ultimate inspiration; Racing never goes out of style and function of racing is the fashion." rodney wills

11-08-2009, 06:36 AM	#1125
Lo-Buck EF Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: dumpster divin for ra1s, NY Posts: 5,213	Re: Road Racing / Autocross / Time Attack Picture Post!!! love sedans! __________________ 2009 NEHC H2 Champ AJ Nealey Racing MLR Motorsports East Coast Honda Challenge

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